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92. That is just a narrative, which also counts as propaganda

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:14 PM

Mar 2014

...which we are very accustomed to getting from US mass media nowadays.

I see video after video on places like DemocracyNow and Youtube showing mostly highly restrained police. I see rioters fire bombing them as early as Dec. 6. They also threw hundreds of bricks (not stones) and used a bulldozer to shove the police bodily.

The BBC puts the first rioter casualties at the hands of police at Jan. 22.

Unlike coverage of US protests and riots, there is apparently no concern from the US media as to what happened to those policemen. If those were US police here in the US, a mere fraction of the Ukraine violence against them would elicit torrents of treacle-y admiration for our "heroes".

And while I might agree that the uprising was "popular", that does not mean they're in the majority. Fascists were "popular" in 1930s Germany but that did not mean they could get enough votes.

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I thought old president was legally impeached. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #1

How? When? elleng Mar 2014 #2

I thought the Parliament removed him. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #3

So if congress here removes Obama and elects someone else, would that be legit? LisaL Mar 2014 #7

Not according to our laws but I don't know what the Ukraine law is on the subject. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #8

Congress does have the authority to impeach the President...NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #77

Yes, the House can impeach... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #82

If the Ukraine has Parliamentary rule then yes they can name a successor. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2014 #102

And then they can elect a new one? LisaL Mar 2014 #86

They named an interim leader. Elections are to be held in May. EmilyAnne Mar 2014 #89

They did. I don't remember if it was before or after he left in the middle of the TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #9

I think it was after he fled. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #10

What were they supposed to do, then? Wait for him to come back? TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #11

Putin should be ashamed. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #12

Once again . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #17

LOL--he DISAPPEARED!! He fled! It was fucking "where's waldo" for four days. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #19

All your humor aside . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #24

Not a coup. Impeachment. He left, and didn't really give them a phone number TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #29

Oh, right . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #42

no, but when the despot starts murdering political opponents and stealing billions of dollars, geek tragedy Mar 2014 #54

Those charges would have to be proven. another_liberal Mar 2014 #58

the charge of theft from the public has already been proven geek tragedy Mar 2014 #60

That is very possibly evidence, it does not constitute a conviction. another_liberal Mar 2014 #73

Those charges would have been proven... Chan790 Mar 2014 #83

HE WAS IMPEACHED Splinter Cell Mar 2014 #104

His impeachment was utterly illegal. another_liberal Mar 2014 #106

We didn't know where Bush was on 9/11 after "My Pet Goat" cosmicone Mar 2014 #30

Well, goodness, where is the demand for him to come back with his billions TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #37

BUT not before he tried to get rid of the paper trail that exposed his HINKY Ecumenist Mar 2014 #32

Yup. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #34

Oh right he went there on vacation, duh. joshcryer Mar 2014 #41

Actually, they fled for their lives, but what difference does that make. another_liberal Mar 2014 #50

or the duly elected parliament can impeach joshcryer Mar 2014 #79

"A trip to a neighboring nation." You must have believed "hiking the Appalachian trail" nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #47

I'll say it one more time . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #53

no, his loss of legitimacy does though--and ordering SNIPERS to shoot at political opponents geek tragedy Mar 2014 #55

This is becoming monotonous . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #64

just like reposting RT's news feed and the Putin regime's press releases is monotonous geek tragedy Mar 2014 #65

No, how he got them is suspicious indeed. another_liberal Mar 2014 #72

Dude... Deep North Mar 2014 #107

"YanukovychLeaks": National Project (A group investigating the documents found in Mezhihirya) levp Mar 2014 #88

Are you really so naive you think that the remaining MPs were not doing the same? newthinking Mar 2014 #71

Here ya go.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #78

If he was impeached, what is the rule of succession? Like in the US, that would be the VP. kelly1mm Mar 2014 #5

I don't know their laws. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #6

Perhaps they do have that power, I don't know either. But, if they do not, and kelly1mm Mar 2014 #14

Well it would depend if they impeached him as well or what the rules are. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #16

Current situation isn't in compliamce with their own constitution dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #18

Does the parliment have the right to remove him? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #21

Use advance search dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #22

Thanks. I am a bit off now because we just got news of a death of a great duer. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #23

You have not established that any way whatsoever. joshcryer Mar 2014 #43

From memory. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #46

Here is the thread, he did not respond: joshcryer Mar 2014 #51

Well.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #81

He wasn't legally impeached . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #20

Blah blah blah, you want the guy who stole billions and ordered troops to shoot geek tragedy Mar 2014 #56

Charges of theft would have to be proven . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #61

They have been proven, beyond not only any reasonable doubt, but any doubt. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #63

Those are pictures of a boat and a collection of vehicles . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #67

LMAO. "they may constitute evidence" we're done here nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #69

". . . we're done here." another_liberal Mar 2014 #70

Well, that's ONE version of history I guess. Adrahil Mar 2014 #80

Sorry. Armed rioters had taken over government buildings. cprise Mar 2014 #91

Yanukovytch was NOT legally removed from power. cosmicone Mar 2014 #25

Yes I heard the new crowd is not good. This stinks. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #26

There is a lot of propaganda out there. amandabeech Mar 2014 #57

Thank you for your post. It was very helpful. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #59

Thank you. You and I are in agreement. amandabeech Mar 2014 #68

Fatherland party is about 20% newthinking Mar 2014 #74

Fatherland is Tymoshenko's party. amandabeech Mar 2014 #76

Propaganda. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #31

lol .. you can't refute it can you? n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #33

Yep: TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #39

A link to your own thread as proof? cosmicone Mar 2014 #40

Here. Since you really want to get to the bottom of this EmilyAnne Mar 2014 #90

That is just a narrative, which also counts as propaganda cprise Mar 2014 #92

Incidentally, that site does seem to push propaganda itself: cprise Mar 2014 #101

So he figured it out jakeXT Mar 2014 #4

It may be that P. M. Medvedev has something there. another_liberal Mar 2014 #13

Medvedev dosen't need to worry about that. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #15

And if the Russian tanks come, really really short "lived." n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #27

I don't actually believe Russia will move outside of Crimea. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #35

I don't think the West will do a damn thing if Russia cosmicone Mar 2014 #38

Reinstalling Yanukovytch would serve no useful purpose. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #44

Russia will reinstall Yanukovytch until the next elections cosmicone Mar 2014 #49

The West loves to write checks w/ military spending strings attached cprise Mar 2014 #93

you sound just like the Neocons except your detachment geek tragedy Mar 2014 #98

That is the 'realpolitik' of the situation cprise Mar 2014 #99

Russia could do that, and the US and EU could squash Russia's economy like a grape. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #48

Russia is a top oil and NG supplier to Europe cosmicone Mar 2014 #52

Putin's economy is 1/7th the size of ours. The Saudis are more than willing to sell oil. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #62

The problem is that oil is a world-wide commodity. cosmicone Mar 2014 #75

Yes, but over time, steps can be taken to decrease reliance on certain suppliers. amandabeech Mar 2014 #84

I doubt anyone would want to diversify their supplies. cosmicone Mar 2014 #85

The Europeans I've met are a little more far-sighted than that. amandabeech Mar 2014 #87

China would give them almost anything they needed. cprise Mar 2014 #94

India siding with Russia in a trade war against the EU and US? Delusional. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #95

Delusion is expecting them to support further instability and NATO incursions cprise Mar 2014 #96

your loyalty to Putin and Mother Russia is quite touching, but geek tragedy Mar 2014 #97

Now who is the neocon? cprise Mar 2014 #100

We? Deep North Mar 2014 #108

Good point. another_liberal Mar 2014 #28

These are the people whose forefathers supported Hitler cosmicone Mar 2014 #36

They certainly don't strike me as a group worthy of U. S. support. another_liberal Mar 2014 #45

Our bankers? Deep North Mar 2014 #109

My family has lived in the United States . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #110

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Diplomacy via Facebook? marshall Mar 2014 #105