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jakeXT

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23. I think he didn't want to be slow and incompetent like Assad or Yanukowitsch
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:09 PM
Mar 2014

It's a risky move, he certainly risks a lot with it.

If his intel was correct, he certainly knows through intercepts about people like Nuland or the Estonian foreign minister.

Or the intel was planted, to force him into the move just like the Soviets were dragged into Afghanistan


The Central Intelligence Agency says it was following events closely enough to have outlined scenarios in which upheaval in Ukraine would become so intense that Russia would take military action.

Two national security sources said the CIA had specifically warned policymakers, shortly before the Russian military moved into the Crimean peninsula, that such a move could be imminent.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4613133



So, what was Russian Intel reacting to, you ask?

Well, according to Voice of Russia, hacked emails pointed to a group of Tatar troublemakers, neo-Nazis and others who were allegedly getting assistance from Turkish Intelligence. There were also two incidents where masked men carried out paramilitary-type operations on government buildings in Simferopol in Crimea on February 27 and February 28 which suggested that something big was afoot. (Russian ambassador to the UN, Vitaly Churkin confirmed that the Crimean interior ministry was attacked on Saturday by armed men sent by Kiev in a statement he made before the UN Security Council.) The incidents were captured on tape and can be seen here:

Here’s an excerpt from one of the hacked emails, also from the same post, allegedly between the coup plotters in Kiev and a Tatar leader:

“Everything is going according to the plan. We are ready to proceed with the second part of the play. As agreed earlier last week, my guys together with people from the “Karpatskaya Sech” and UNA-UNSO will arrive wherever is needed and with the necessary weapons. You only need to let us know the addresses of the warehouses in Simferopol, Sevastopol, Kerch, Feodosia and Yalta, and the time of the meeting…” (The Crimean Anti-Coup Move” Moon of Alabama)

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/04/crimea-river/

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Get Ukraine into NATO and by default you can kick out the Russian fleet /nt jakeXT Mar 2014 #1
I have not seen anything, anything, that remotely touches on the topic of kicking amandabeech Mar 2014 #4
I'm no expert, I don't remember who mentioned it jakeXT Mar 2014 #8
Your extract says that the Russian bases on Crimea could be a problem if Ukraine wished to gain amandabeech Mar 2014 #13
That's what Russia fears jakeXT Mar 2014 #19
I guess Russia fears that Ukraine will act like a Putin-led Russia. amandabeech Mar 2014 #21
I think he didn't want to be slow and incompetent like Assad or Yanukowitsch jakeXT Mar 2014 #23
I'm familiar with Voice of Russia, Counterpunch and Engdahl. amandabeech Mar 2014 #24
BTW the first link is Reuters India, maybe Putin reads the same stuff jakeXT Mar 2014 #25
Your first cite is not responsive to my post. n/t amandabeech Mar 2014 #30
So you think Merkel is right, Putin has lost his marbles and he should have talked to Andriy Parubiy jakeXT Mar 2014 #35
Sometimes in international relations, one has to deal with distasteful people. amandabeech Mar 2014 #36
Medvedev also seems to see nobody to talk to / What about US presidents wrecking nations ? jakeXT Mar 2014 #37
I think that the Ukrainian people through out the crook Yanukovich. amandabeech Mar 2014 #38
"Member countries should have no foreign military bases on their territory" former9thward Mar 2014 #39
The Status of Forces Agreement jakeXT Mar 2014 #41
Oh so some countries are more equal than others. former9thward Mar 2014 #42
If Ukraine as a member of NATO can kick out the Russians then why can't Cuba kick totodeinhere Mar 2014 #17
American Exceptionalism ? /nt jakeXT Mar 2014 #20
There is no basis for Ukraine kicking the Russians out of their leased bases so long as the amandabeech Mar 2014 #22
Issuance of Ukraine-related Executive Order JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #2
thus says the politician who is occupying a foreign country nt msongs Mar 2014 #3
Which has little to nothing to do with the validity of statement in and of itself. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #5
Germany? South Korea? United Kingdom? brooklynite Mar 2014 #7
We'll see what happens jakeXT Mar 2014 #9
Dumb move, Mr. President. Laelth Mar 2014 #6
Results of elections in which armed individuals wander around outside polling places amandabeech Mar 2014 #14
Hmm ... Laelth Mar 2014 #31
I don't know what they think because they haven't had the opportunity amandabeech Mar 2014 #43
Ethnic Russians are 59% (vast majority?) of Crimea. Assuming the 41% who are not ethnic Russia pampango Mar 2014 #44
Sorry, it is simply not true that the US was caught supporting geek tragedy Mar 2014 #15
It is quite true, as posts here have shown over the past couple of days. Laelth Mar 2014 #32
I have seen them, and they are full of factual falsehoods and distortions. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #34
Actually the EU has already agreed to do something. They have agreed to a $15 loan guarantee to totodeinhere Mar 2014 #18
You can't reason with the "anti-Putin no matter what the facts" crowd cosmicone Mar 2014 #28
I continue to believe that they mean well. Laelth Mar 2014 #33
'Ukraine's legitimate government' iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #10
please stop repeating the Kremlin's Big Lie of calling Yanukovych's decision geek tragedy Mar 2014 #16
Not a "Big Lie." Mag238 Mar 2014 #26
Nope, a big L-I-E spread by Russia's rightwing government. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #27
Too bad taking food stamps away from hungry people isn't illegal. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #11
Not conceding anything--that's the way to do it. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #12
Ukraine's legitimate government...the one installed by Parliament after last month's ouster... seveneyes Mar 2014 #29
Putin has ignored what Obama said previously , ... quadrature Mar 2014 #40
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