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44. Ethnic Russians are 59% (vast majority?) of Crimea. Assuming the 41% who are not ethnic Russia

Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:32 PM

Mar 2014

vote No, it would only take a few ethnic Russians to lead to a surprising result in the referendum.

Some ethnic Russians are undoubtedly liberals who may not see a future with Putin's right wing domestic policies and prefer the "humanist", socially liberal policies that exist in Europe. Others may believe that they get along just fine with ethnic Ukrainians and Tatars and are not hung up on the necessity of their ethnic group running everything.

A No vote is unlikely. The date for the referendum was originally scheduled for May 25. It as changed to March 30 and then to March 16. It seems that the legitimacy of the vote is not as important as getting it done ASAP.

... the right-wing government in the Ukraine ...

In the long run, if Ukraine associates more closely with Europe, people are more likely to benefit from a liberal government than if they join with Russia.

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Obama: Crimea referendum would be illegal [View all] brooklynite Mar 2014 OP

Get Ukraine into NATO and by default you can kick out the Russian fleet /nt jakeXT Mar 2014 #1

I have not seen anything, anything, that remotely touches on the topic of kicking amandabeech Mar 2014 #4

I'm no expert, I don't remember who mentioned it jakeXT Mar 2014 #8

Your extract says that the Russian bases on Crimea could be a problem if Ukraine wished to gain amandabeech Mar 2014 #13

That's what Russia fears jakeXT Mar 2014 #19

I guess Russia fears that Ukraine will act like a Putin-led Russia. amandabeech Mar 2014 #21

I think he didn't want to be slow and incompetent like Assad or Yanukowitsch jakeXT Mar 2014 #23

I'm familiar with Voice of Russia, Counterpunch and Engdahl. amandabeech Mar 2014 #24

BTW the first link is Reuters India, maybe Putin reads the same stuff jakeXT Mar 2014 #25

Your first cite is not responsive to my post. n/t amandabeech Mar 2014 #30

So you think Merkel is right, Putin has lost his marbles and he should have talked to Andriy Parubiy jakeXT Mar 2014 #35

Sometimes in international relations, one has to deal with distasteful people. amandabeech Mar 2014 #36

Medvedev also seems to see nobody to talk to / What about US presidents wrecking nations ? jakeXT Mar 2014 #37

I think that the Ukrainian people through out the crook Yanukovich. amandabeech Mar 2014 #38

"Member countries should have no foreign military bases on their territory" former9thward Mar 2014 #39

The Status of Forces Agreement jakeXT Mar 2014 #41

Oh so some countries are more equal than others. former9thward Mar 2014 #42

If Ukraine as a member of NATO can kick out the Russians then why can't Cuba kick totodeinhere Mar 2014 #17

American Exceptionalism ? /nt jakeXT Mar 2014 #20

There is no basis for Ukraine kicking the Russians out of their leased bases so long as the amandabeech Mar 2014 #22

Issuance of Ukraine-related Executive Order JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #2

thus says the politician who is occupying a foreign country nt msongs Mar 2014 #3

Which has little to nothing to do with the validity of statement in and of itself. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #5

Germany? South Korea? United Kingdom? brooklynite Mar 2014 #7

We'll see what happens jakeXT Mar 2014 #9

Dumb move, Mr. President. Laelth Mar 2014 #6

Results of elections in which armed individuals wander around outside polling places amandabeech Mar 2014 #14

Hmm ... Laelth Mar 2014 #31

I don't know what they think because they haven't had the opportunity amandabeech Mar 2014 #43

Ethnic Russians are 59% (vast majority?) of Crimea. Assuming the 41% who are not ethnic Russia pampango Mar 2014 #44

Sorry, it is simply not true that the US was caught supporting geek tragedy Mar 2014 #15

It is quite true, as posts here have shown over the past couple of days. Laelth Mar 2014 #32

I have seen them, and they are full of factual falsehoods and distortions. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #34

Actually the EU has already agreed to do something. They have agreed to a $15 loan guarantee to totodeinhere Mar 2014 #18

You can't reason with the "anti-Putin no matter what the facts" crowd cosmicone Mar 2014 #28

I continue to believe that they mean well. Laelth Mar 2014 #33

'Ukraine's legitimate government' iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #10

please stop repeating the Kremlin's Big Lie of calling Yanukovych's decision geek tragedy Mar 2014 #16

Not a "Big Lie." Mag238 Mar 2014 #26

Nope, a big L-I-E spread by Russia's rightwing government. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #27

Too bad taking food stamps away from hungry people isn't illegal. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #11

Not conceding anything--that's the way to do it. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #12

Ukraine's legitimate government...the one installed by Parliament after last month's ouster... seveneyes Mar 2014 #29

Putin has ignored what Obama said previously , ... quadrature Mar 2014 #40