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152. Of course he does! His words are crystal clear. He calls the "battle units" to act. See post #34

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 05:37 PM

Mar 2014

But how would you know, you don't understand what he said in that video anyway. You told me you don't speak Spanish.

When he says "yo le hice un llamado a las UBCH... a los colectivos". He's exactly saying what he's saying. The UBCH (pronounced ubeché) are "Unidades de Batalla Chavez" or "Chavez Battle Units", a paramilitary group.

The come in their motorbikes and shoot the protesters, while the National Guard retires passively. Tonight, they killed another student in Valencia. One of those your people call "fascists".

Jesús Enrique Acosta, 23 years old.

http://www.elperiodiquito.com/article/143063/Estudiante-Jesus-Enrique-Acosta-murio-durante-tiroteo-en-La-Isabelica-de-Valencia
http://notitweet-sucesos.blogspot.fr/2014/03/este-es-jesus-enrique-acosta-el-joven.html
http://inagist.com/all/443815369963094016/
http://veusnoticias.com/asesinado-jesus-enrique-acosta-durante-tiroteo-en-la-isabelica-valencia/

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Student leader killed in west Venezuela crackdown [View all] Lasher Mar 2014 OP

"I'm afraid this is going to get worse." Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #1

Tasteless. joshcryer Mar 2014 #3

Do you have any idea how many movements have been inspired by a martyr? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #4

Yeah and you just picked the Nazi movement for your example cause funny happenstance Kurska Mar 2014 #6

He wasn't Gandhi, that's for sure. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #8

Right, good riddance! He must be guilty of something... ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #15

Do you want to make him a hero? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #46

No, you're right, the dead guy is a villain... ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #51

"It's interesting to see the fascination that extremes have for each other..." Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #72

And let me guess, you are? Kurska Mar 2014 #37

LOL! Do you expect me to defend a bunch of Right Wingers? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #47

No I expect you to have some level of sympathy for someone's murdered son, brother or friend. Kurska Mar 2014 #65

Who is "cheering"? I simply pointed out that the Right COULD make him a martyr.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #68

You equated him with a Nazi martyr Kurska Mar 2014 #77

It wasn't a "murder".... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #79

... Kurska Mar 2014 #81

He made the police kill him. That's pretty fucking sick. hack89 Mar 2014 #83

How far are you going to go in helping the wrong side? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #85

Not so far as to rationalize and joke about violence and murder. nt hack89 Mar 2014 #86

I didn't consider it to be a "joke".... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #156

"Horst-Wessel-Lied" joshcryer Mar 2014 #19

They're not Liberals. They are the children of the former ruling class.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #49

Half the population is the former ruling class ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #59

Sure is, because people ain't buying the lies of the Right. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #69

Let's not forget Pavlik Morozov. Igel Mar 2014 #36

I've met Right Wingers who believe Breitbart is a martyr.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #80

You're so bad bitchkitty Mar 2014 #12

You feel amused ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #16

This, coming from someone who celebrates death squads bitchkitty Mar 2014 #17

Huh?! You have no shame. Your accusation shows the kind of person you are. ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #18

Capriles. Armando Briquet. And their merry band bitchkitty Mar 2014 #20

Those are falsehoods ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #30

I didn't call him a Nazi. bitchkitty Mar 2014 #31

No, you just laughed with someone who was comparing him with a nazi SA spanza Mar 2014 #33

I laughed because the remark was bitchkitty Mar 2014 #38

Nazis were on the political right and so are these guys.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #40

Lets remember that it is Maduro who is governing under emergency decree powers hack89 Mar 2014 #48

LOL!!! Oh yeah, we all remember when Chavez had everyone shot. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #98

St Hugo was relatively competent hack89 Mar 2014 #100

See the chart? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #102

We are not talking about devaluation hack89 Mar 2014 #104

Because,......they.....are.....getting,......fewer,....for,....the,.....same,.....thing. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #115

The dollars are flowing out. It is not supply problem hack89 Mar 2014 #117

They indexed their currency to the dollar and the currency speculators wanted the other side to win. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #134

They have devalued the Bolivar five time since 2003 hack89 Mar 2014 #137

LOL! You think the government sets the value? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #138

Yes - the government sets the rate at which Venezuelans can buy dollars. hack89 Mar 2014 #140

The private money market devalued even more before Chaves set the rate. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #157

That had nothing to do with the present hack89 Mar 2014 #158

You keep saying that as if they're broke.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #159

So why can't companies buy dollars? hack89 Mar 2014 #160

"Why the need for a two tiered exchange system?" Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #161

Why can't companies buy the dollars they need? hack89 Mar 2014 #162

Because "free trade" SUCKS. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #163

Yet they sell oil on the free market hack89 Mar 2014 #171

"What do you think funds all those social programs?" Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #177

They are part of big oil - PDVSA is a huge oil company hack89 Mar 2014 #180

LOL!!! Oh sure. I'm sure Texaco is contributing matching funds towards their schools. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #182

VZ is a capitalist country enthusiastically participating in the global free market hack89 Mar 2014 #184

Nice job mooning everyone. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #194

You are not even trying anymore, are you? Nt hack89 Mar 2014 #196

Me? You haven't convinced me the student died for a noble cause. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #197

We were discussing basic economics. Nt hack89 Mar 2014 #202

On that, profit is not the only motivator. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #205

But revenue is extremely important. nt hack89 Mar 2014 #207

Not for it's own sake at the expense of the powerless. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #209

I meant government revenue hack89 Mar 2014 #210

Why the need for even that? hack89 Mar 2014 #170

Does it? From the US explicitly? Admit it.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #172

They absolutely depend on us - we are their leading trading partner hack89 Mar 2014 #174

Guess where most of the money used to go.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #181

Somewhat irrelevant hack89 Mar 2014 #183

IOW: The rich come FIRST. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #193

For the 3rd time, the bolivar doesn't float, its rate is fixed by the govt ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #147

The government officials are the ones who control that scheme and benefit from it, no one else. ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #122

Look at the chart again. It's when they indexed their cash to the dollar that things soured. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #133

The Venezuelan currency is not indexed. ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #149

A country devalues it's currency to limit inports and increase exports. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #155

Oil exporters devalue to release the fiscal pressure on their budget and to protect their reserves ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #167

The exchange you are fretting about are for non-vital goods.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #173

You're still making no sense whatsoever. ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #175

Yup. South America does better without us skimming from them. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #178

So you weren't talking about the exchange rate policies... I though you were trying to make a point ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #185

LOL! I suppose that was a "welfare" slam. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #195

Unbelievable. I think you're right! n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #199

It's like watching a cat playing with a mouse,...isn't it. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #201

Haha! I'm trying to understand your point, if actually have one... ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #203

Look again. Others kept up. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #206

I sincerely doubt it ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #218

Yup. And he always uses that old chestnut.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #219

I hope you find your way back ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #220

Ya know, sometimes I post to the crowd. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #221

Ok, non-chavista = right-wingers = fascists ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #90

They believe in Corporatism. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #94

No need for calumny to defend your point of view ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #67

I don't know what you mean. n/t bitchkitty Mar 2014 #87

In this post it is YOU celebrating death squads, bitchkitty spanza Mar 2014 #32

the chavista death squads are the ones who killed the students Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #35

You "LOL'd" at unnecessary death. joshcryer Mar 2014 #21

No, I laughed at a comment. bitchkitty Mar 2014 #23

The comment was dismissive of death. joshcryer Mar 2014 #25

Ha! Coming from Henri's biggest fan! bitchkitty Mar 2014 #27

It won't get worse if the government just backs off. joshcryer Mar 2014 #2

The protesters in this case are NOT the "little guy".... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #5

Yeah, thats what it is. And maybe they want basic home items and less than 50% inflation! 7962 Mar 2014 #7

Oh, you mean the stupidity of thinking the protests are like Occupy? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #9

Exactly right! nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #10

No, the daily stupid decisions & statements made by Maduro, et al 7962 Mar 2014 #11

This........ Beacool Mar 2014 #39

You seem to have bought into the idea that it's destined to fail.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #41

No, its called REALITY. I just call it as I see it. Too bad for a beautiful country. 7962 Mar 2014 #70

LOL!!! Next you will claim the Nazis were "Socialists" too just because it was in their name.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #78

What the hell are you talking about?? What post did you read?? 7962 Mar 2014 #82

Things. Are. Getting. Better..... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #84

By what measure? hack89 Mar 2014 #211

Go listen to the report from "Democracy Now!".... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #212

Things are not getting better economically hack89 Mar 2014 #213

Did you watch the report from "Democracy Now!"? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #214

Yes. hack89 Mar 2014 #215

Any like this? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #216

Did you miss the chart I posted? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #96

They have short attention spans. They also fear the truth. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #97

Oh,...in that case.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #99

Why don't you give the 2014 figures? hack89 Mar 2014 #106

It was a reply to a prior claim that everything has been hell for 12 years. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #116

You right. It has only recently become a hell hack89 Mar 2014 #118

Did you miss the OAS has accepted him? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #120

I accept him as the elected President hack89 Mar 2014 #125

You know what happened in Greece,.....right? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #130

The government spent more than they brought in, ran up massive debt hack89 Mar 2014 #135

It was the Greek government when it was run by borrow and spend conservatives.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #136

Either a country has the money to pay for social services or it doesn't hack89 Mar 2014 #139

Greece HAD the money. The Conservatives LOOTED IT.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #141

VZ's economy is shrinking and it's debt is increasing hack89 Mar 2014 #142

It's not the disaster the frat boy protesters want you to believe. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #145

Time will tell. nt hack89 Mar 2014 #146

It is mostly a bogus chart. ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #123

STOP INTRODUCING FACTS AND ANALYSIS NobodyHere Mar 2014 #129

The chart is from The Guardian.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #132

Irrelevant. ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #148

Spot on. n/t bitchkitty Mar 2014 #14

Occupy did win. joshcryer Mar 2014 #24

Occupy WON. Everybody KNOWS about the 1% now. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #95

If the Maduro Government is like what occupy would be, no thanks. Adrahil Mar 2014 #28

We would be.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #42

You said it, and we all know it! Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #89

They are a bunch of idiotic students. joshcryer Mar 2014 #22

Students attacked by police!! OMG!! It's bad!! RobertEarl Mar 2014 #50

Killed by paramilitaries, not "attacked by police" ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #54

Says you RobertEarl Mar 2014 #55

Say the students of his university ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #58

a twitter feed? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #61

It's more direct than any media ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #63

Ok RobertEarl Mar 2014 #66

So who killed the guy according to you? ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #88

Ever since Palin got the Beltway to discover Twitter it's become a favorite of the Right. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #93

Syndicate of students = Right = Corporatism = fascism ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #101

Very good Grasshopper, next we will discuss Authoritarian vs Libertarian. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #103

Do you mean ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #109

Do you feel I've been talking down to you? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #113

What do you mean? ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #128

Do you want me to? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #131

"Bolivarian supporters have dozens of links to independent media" EX500rider Mar 2014 #108

You are so out of touch it is pathetic. joshcryer Mar 2014 #57

Heh RobertEarl Mar 2014 #60

Another living proof ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #64

I picture Young Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #73

You picture wrong ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #168

ROFL snooper2 Mar 2014 #29

DU is random? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #44

When you look at it in the perspective of the Intertubes as a whole snooper2 Mar 2014 #45

Considering how many use the web sans pants? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #71

Being accepted by the OAS does. ;-) Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #74

DU was designed for Democrats, progressives, liberals, oddly enough. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #91

Spot on!!! philosslayer Mar 2014 #56

Too many read the "news" and consider themselves "informed". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #75

Like the tea party is a mass movement. bitchkitty Mar 2014 #13

The tea party never got off their ass and protested. joshcryer Mar 2014 #26

"The tea party never got off their ass and protested." Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #43

They strapped on their holsters and waddled around displaying Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #92

MADURO calls PSUV paramilitary forces to repress protests spanza Mar 2014 #34

Here's the cause of this murder. ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #53

so how much longer before the government loses any sort of moral authority to govern dlwickham Mar 2014 #52

Eh? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #62

so the Koch brothers are funding the opposition in Venzuela? dlwickham Mar 2014 #105

Judging from the posts on this thread, as many as he wants. They're just US-backed fascists. 7962 Mar 2014 #76

sad huh dlwickham Mar 2014 #107

Ouch! I won't go THAT far! Blind obedience to an ideology, yes. nt 7962 Mar 2014 #112

"how many more people can it kill before the apologists quit standing up for it" EX500rider Mar 2014 #110

the Venezuelan government is leftist dlwickham Mar 2014 #114

"I remember someone on here standing up for the North Korean government before" EX500rider Mar 2014 #119

I don't remember the moon one dlwickham Mar 2014 #121

When they get voted out by the majority ......if democracy is allowed to be repeated...... Theyletmeeatcake2 Mar 2014 #126

The opposition (M.U.D.) is NOT asking Maduro to resign, that is pure propaganda ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #127

Killing civilians is a classic SOA/RW tactic in Latin America. One example of many: Zorra Mar 2014 #111

4 days ago Maduro openly called his paramilitary forces to do this kind of action on national TV. nt ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #124

No, he didn't. We all know he didn't. Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #143

Of course he does! His words are crystal clear. He calls the "battle units" to act. See post #34 ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #152

No, I most certainly didn't tell you I don't speak Spanish. Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #153

That's not the most important issue here ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #154

"We all know he didn't." EX500rider Mar 2014 #164

We all know he did, even Judi Lynn ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #176

OH YES HE DID spanza Mar 2014 #192

You're saying "Oh yes he did" and "How can you defend such a thing." Ouch! Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #198

Ridiculous. When you tell an armed paramilitary group to intervene spanza Mar 2014 #225

"How dare you attempt to blame others for the congenital criminality of "conservative" perverts." EX500rider Mar 2014 #200

So you are claiming that Maduro publicly and specifically told paramilitary forces to Zorra Mar 2014 #179

As you can clearly see and hear in that video, he specifically told them to repress the protests ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #187

Personal attacks and insults by attempted character diminishment don't work well here at DU. Zorra Mar 2014 #188

Do you feel insulted? By "Childish"? ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #204

Not insulted, just amused. See? You did it again. Same word, "childish". Classic propaganda tactic. Zorra Mar 2014 #223

You deserve the award for the most ridiculous and childish way to elude a question spanza Mar 2014 #226

It was disgusting learning Ronald Reagan's propaganda meister, Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #144

Yes, the depth of the control and corruption of our government by RW wealthy private interests Zorra Mar 2014 #186

The shadow government may have already overtaken the "official" government, Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #189

Advocating the overthrow of the US government now, eh? Zorro Mar 2014 #190

I'm advocating for the elimination of fascists and fascism from our government. Zorra Mar 2014 #222

A Coup in Venezuela Means Another Victory For Corruption Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #150

Unavoidable facts mentioned in the article: Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #151

-Food is deemed affordable-just not deemed findable EX500rider Mar 2014 #165

Clearly you should have read the article. More from the article: Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #166

"You haven't even bothered to be aware of what has already happened" EX500rider Mar 2014 #191

All of this is means nothing when compared to the Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 2014. Zorra Mar 2014 #227

On 03/05 MADURO gave orders to his PARAMILITARY FORCES to repress protests. NO SURPRISE to see this. ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #169

I thought this Economist headline said a lot: EX500rider Mar 2014 #208

I doubt that the author of this idiotic headline.... Dem4ever27 Mar 2014 #217

Why, have you and so what? EX500rider Mar 2014 #224