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215. Since a child is of 2 parents

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:22 PM

Mar 2014

shouldn't there at least be a discussion regarding surname?

I know a woman who kept her maiden name when she got married and her son was given her name. But this was because she was the last member of her family and there would be no one to carry on her family (and her husband's family was larger and last name was not an issue).

I had a cousin whose husband took her last name.

Even a lot more kids now a day end up with hyphenated names which is a reasonable compromise for both parents.

Last name can sound silly but when added to 1) I don't want you in the delivery room and 2) I don't even have to tell you when I deliver (yes I know the cat was out of the bag when she had the misfortune to be labor during the hearing) the whole thing comes across not even be close to playing well with others. Parenting is give and take. What is wrong with - I really don't want you to be in the delivery room while I give birth but I do want you to have a chance to meet your child afterwards. It is called being reasonable. It comes across as everything appears to have to be done her way and he has absolutely no say in anything. Boy will she learn that life will not stay that was as that child grows. A good friend of mine has 2 kids and let me tell you those kids are the real rulers of that family - LOL!

It is a pretty extreme effort to have to go to court regarding the birth of a child but I would not be surprised if it was because of poor communication on both parts and an unwillingness to compromise. It is too bad that, when things went south in the relationship, they were not forced into mediation to come up with a birthing/post birthing plan that would have given the Mother her privacy and yet both parents bond with the child. If they are fighting this badly at this stage of the game, I see a lot of court dates and lawyer fees in their future.

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NJ court ruling blocking newborn's dad from delivery room is first in nation [View all] alp227 Mar 2014 OP

Theoretically, an interesting case joeglow3 Mar 2014 #1

That's how I see it too. Before birth there's one patient who has every right NYC Liberal Mar 2014 #5

If the father is not paying any of the hospital/medical bills, would he still have that right? Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #9

Barring some other court order about custody or a restraining order, NYC Liberal Mar 2014 #12

This is about a patient's privacy, not money. (nt) PotatoChip Mar 2014 #13

While I kind of understand the privacy issue, I think that it is avebury Mar 2014 #174

it has ALWAYS been the policy that no one goes in that room unless the mother geek tragedy Mar 2014 #179

Except if you read the article, he DID NOT avebury Mar 2014 #182

His attorney did file a motion to geek tragedy Mar 2014 #185

I personally think that he was stupid avebury Mar 2014 #188

He tried to force his way into her medical procedure. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #189

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #196

Your determination to take his side and you calling her geek tragedy Mar 2014 #200

Not an angel either. avebury Mar 2014 #207

"Deny the daughter her father's surname." geek tragedy Mar 2014 #208

Since a child is of 2 parents avebury Mar 2014 #215

Why do you think she is such an awful human being geek tragedy Mar 2014 #217

When a single woman has a child Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #232

Um, I'm married to the father of my kids and they have my surname. Laffy Kat Mar 2014 #236

Are you crazy? Have you ever produced a child? Tumbulu Mar 2014 #250

Let's review what you just said there: Squinch Mar 2014 #206

My issues with her are as follows: avebury Mar 2014 #212

Until you have produced a baby out of your own body Tumbulu Mar 2014 #251

One thousand percent agree laundry_queen Mar 2014 #265

First of all, I see no reason why we need to assume that the child will have the father's surname. Squinch Mar 2014 #296

If the father is known, his name should be on that birth certificiate, Jamastiene Mar 2014 #285

You've obviously never gone through labor and childbirth. It is physically and emotionally 1monster Mar 2014 #222

I am not arguing over the who is present during avebury Mar 2014 #227

Over two days of it for me Tumbulu Mar 2014 #252

It sucks for the man, but it's still the woman's choice. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #226

The problem can occur is when the parents have a bad avebury Mar 2014 #229

Paternity and guardianship have nothing to do with who pays the bills. eggplant Mar 2014 #14

Yes, but this is a specific situation. The child is newborn--and will only be so once. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #19

So if the mother is not paying any bills ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2014 #20

Good point. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #37

Nope. Visitation rights have nothing to do with who is paying the bill. eggplant Mar 2014 #113

Exactly. Two completely separate issues in the courts. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #23

You're right... Deep13 Mar 2014 #204

Visitation and Support are separate questions treestar Mar 2014 #223

agree with post 1 & 5 northoftheborder Mar 2014 #194

No, he doesn't have the right to invade her geek tragedy Mar 2014 #29

Move the baby to a different room right after birth joeglow3 Mar 2014 #35

Because his rights trump hers? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #38

It is NOT medically necessary for this to be done in that room joeglow3 Mar 2014 #41

You're arguing his rights trump hers. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #44

I am saying both parents have equal rights joeglow3 Mar 2014 #46

Judge disagreed with you. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #49

Actually, right after birth is the time to introduce breast feeding. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #150

Exactly. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #158

Favoring the right of the baby to be breastfed is a progressive value. pnwmom Mar 2014 #178

Exactly. The father has a lifetime with his child laundry_queen Mar 2014 #266

When one gender contributes a microscopic sperm, MadrasT Mar 2014 #181

right on! nt Euphoria Mar 2014 #245

One gender, the mother actually produced the child Tumbulu Mar 2014 #255

Something happened to elicit such irrational anger issues joeglow3 Mar 2014 #280

Much as in saying "That is bullshit"? LanternWaste Mar 2014 #295

Ah. Of course. Someone is making a perfectly valid point about the rights of the mother Squinch Mar 2014 #299

"Fuck him" is not a valid reaction to giving birth (however you want to describe it). joeglow3 Mar 2014 #300

Give birth and then talk to me. Squinch Mar 2014 #303

I really hope you see the flaw of that logic joeglow3 Mar 2014 #306

I haven't personally experienced it. But I am smart enough to get my information from those who Squinch Mar 2014 #311

I get mine from a wife with 15 years in the profession as a nurse joeglow3 Mar 2014 #314

You actually said "thanks for playing," didn't you? Is there a double no-backs on that? Squinch Mar 2014 #317

You give birth and see how many times you say or think that Tumbulu Mar 2014 #307

The fact that you are now making shit up speaks even more about your confidence joeglow3 Mar 2014 #308

Yes, I have a had a baby Tumbulu Mar 2014 #301

I never argued during the delivery joeglow3 Mar 2014 #304

Oh now, who appears to be damaged? Hmm Tumbulu Mar 2014 #310

I advocated for giving BOTH parents an opportunity to experience THEIR child joeglow3 Mar 2014 #315

You advocated taking the child away from the mother right after giving birth no less Tumbulu Mar 2014 #318

That is NOT what I said joeglow3 Mar 2014 #320

Read your own posts, brother Tumbulu Mar 2014 #322

She probably didn't notify him that his child was about to be born joeglow3 Mar 2014 #323

Sending texts WHILE IN LABOR??????? Tumbulu Mar 2014 #325

My wife was fielding work calls while in labor joeglow3 Mar 2014 #327

No. The baby should be in the mother's arms after the birth. pnwmom Mar 2014 #100

That is right nt Tumbulu Mar 2014 #256

Wow, that sounds kind of backwards. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #238

Babies room with their mothers unless there is something Ilsa Mar 2014 #268

Facts a little bit confused between story + headline, imo. elleng Mar 2014 #2

"As a visitor" isn't the same as being a parent starroute Mar 2014 #33

I suspect things have changed over time, elleng Mar 2014 #40

Wow, when was that? Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #244

Health Concern was key JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #3

he never asked to be in the delivery room, only to be able to see the baby at the hospital as soon leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #6

And he got what he wanted JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #10

that's a good question leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #18

Then, the baby should have been carted away right after birth joeglow3 Mar 2014 #27

Yes, forget medical procedures and geek tragedy Mar 2014 #34

What fucking sexist view joeglow3 Mar 2014 #36

He doesn't need to hold the baby in the first minute. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #39

Why not? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #42

Ask any woman who's given birth. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #45

That was never in dispute joeglow3 Mar 2014 #47

No, most decent people would acknowledge geek tragedy Mar 2014 #50

And most decent people would recognize the rights of both people to be there joeglow3 Mar 2014 #51

She was not obligated to tell him that she was even in labor geek tragedy Mar 2014 #53

MRA? Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #77

Men's Rights activist. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #78

Female or Male rights? It should be phrased otherwise. It should be Human rights. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #89

when the mother is unmarried, she is the only legal parent geek tragedy Mar 2014 #90

Gotta question the legal parent thing. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #94

go ahead and find a state with a different rule. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #95

And wasn't that supplied via testimony? Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #97

he could certainly argue for that in court, after the birth geek tragedy Mar 2014 #103

Well, I'm guessing that the existence of a civil suit means Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #106

and he failed for necessary reasons, since he doesn't get custody geek tragedy Mar 2014 #108

Uterus custody? Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #125

well, if he got what he wanted, why was he suing and how is it that he lost? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #129

This is just the ruling being publicized. tammywammy Mar 2014 #140

just read the NJ law journal, he was asking to be declared father geek tragedy Mar 2014 #147

According to the article Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #149

Sounds to me like he is a controlling prick. Laffy Kat Mar 2014 #241

bingo. this kind of behavior leads to physical abuse in many cases nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #242

And gay marriage has been and is illegal all over joeglow3 Mar 2014 #195

Are you trying to be offensive? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #197

Was the mother contesting him as the father? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #213

Between contractions? No. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #214

That response proves you know your argument is flawed. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #218

How so? He didn't have any right to be in that room and he certainly didn't have geek tragedy Mar 2014 #224

Prove it is detrimental joeglow3 Mar 2014 #230

Your entire argument that he was entitled to have the baby ripped away from the mother a minute geek tragedy Mar 2014 #233

That is not what I said joeglow3 Mar 2014 #237

here's what you wrote: geek tragedy Mar 2014 #240

Like I said, resort to name calling joeglow3 Mar 2014 #243

your argument has no merits. your argument is concerned with only one thing, geek tragedy Mar 2014 #246

You posted these outrageous things? Tumbulu Mar 2014 #316

Yeah. Looking for equal rights for both parents is disgusting. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #319

Your approach is so far from equal, my goodness! Tumbulu Mar 2014 #321

Can you say porn talk ten more times? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #324

Delete the creepy things that you have dared to post on DU Tumbulu Mar 2014 #326

Wow. Those hidden posts, and the ones in this thread... redqueen Mar 2014 #330

yep, this one is a Nigel Tunfel when it comes to the MRA scale geek tragedy Mar 2014 #331

Most decent fathers would support the mother in establishing breastfeeding pnwmom Mar 2014 #176

I was about to say that labor can and often does have the effect of making women in pain CTyankee Mar 2014 #86

Well, for one thing, she may want to breastfeed StatGirl Mar 2014 #52

That is not a medical procedure. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #54

The father has no right to observe this. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #59

Hospitals have to run the vitals of the baby first joeglow3 Mar 2014 #66

No, he doesn't. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #70

Wow. What causes such a need for attention? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #82

why don't you tell us? nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #84

I never attacked anyone personally joeglow3 Mar 2014 #85

legally, he doesn't unless he's married to the mother. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #74

No they don't. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #247

No, they don't gollygee Mar 2014 #274

Now you're just being ridiculous StatGirl Mar 2014 #81

It is quite hard to get going Tumbulu Mar 2014 #262

Read the facts of the case joeglow3 Mar 2014 #281

You must be imagining a whole heck of a lot Tumbulu Mar 2014 #302

Yes. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #57

If she is a nursing mother she needs to start right away. kmlisle Mar 2014 #55

oh yeah, because the mom's milk always comes in immediately olddad56 Mar 2014 #92

There IS colostrum right away. And latching on needs to be established quickly. antigone382 Mar 2014 #168

If this is about the baby's welfare then kmlisle Mar 2014 #210

I suggest laundry_queen Mar 2014 #267

The mother MADE the baby Tumbulu Mar 2014 #259

Wow. Guess the right doesn't possess all those who don't understand science. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #279

What science do you know think shows that a man produces a baby? Tumbulu Mar 2014 #298

Can the father breastfeed the baby? pnwmom Mar 2014 #175

This is the new DU, all men are rape culture republicans Exultant Democracy Mar 2014 #180

So you think he was justified in trying to sue his way into geek tragedy Mar 2014 #191

No I agree with the poster who I responded too. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Exultant Democracy Mar 2014 #248

DU has become home to misogyny, we are in agreement. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #249

No the reverse sexism here isn't a figment of imagination. Visit the HOF forum sometime, Exultant Democracy Mar 2014 #253

look at my profile. HoF do not push anything particularly radical geek tragedy Mar 2014 #254

I don't recall MRA arguments at DU 11 years ago gollygee Mar 2014 #275

What right does a man who supplied sperm Tumbulu Mar 2014 #258

A baby needs to be held by his or her mother after birth, pnwmom Mar 2014 #101

Not immediately joeglow3 Mar 2014 #105

It is harmful. Here you go. Butterbean Mar 2014 #156

If the mother is going to try to breastfeed, the baby shouldn't be taken away pnwmom Mar 2014 #173

Most new borns do NOT want to feed happyslug Mar 2014 #202

Not my experience or the experience of my friends. They started nursing right away. kmlisle Mar 2014 #209

Mothers need the presence of a baby to stimulate the milk to come in, whether or not pnwmom Mar 2014 #231

In my 16, almost 17 years of being in the delivery room, I disagree with this. Butterbean Mar 2014 #260

Not true at ALL laundry_queen Mar 2014 #269

Both of mine did gollygee Mar 2014 #276

My son was born Cesarean, and his mother was too out of it from the anesthetic to hold him. olddad56 Mar 2014 #146

That's a completely different situation. In this case, the father would have been pnwmom Mar 2014 #234

It's customary to lay the baby on the mother's stomach for a while. Chemisse Mar 2014 #137

:sarcasm: GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #187

Is this a joke? Tumbulu Mar 2014 #257

I have had three joeglow3 Mar 2014 #283

You have given birth three times? Tumbulu Mar 2014 #305

Did I say that, or are you making more shit up? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #309

No. Most mothers are nursing babies right after birth. Ilsa Mar 2014 #270

So, in your experience nursing takes place first? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #282

You know what the procedure is. Ilsa Mar 2014 #286

I have been there as a parent and my wife is a nurse there joeglow3 Mar 2014 #287

It is her birth, her time when she is almost physically Ilsa Mar 2014 #288

So, like I said, move the baby to another room, as even you stated is standard process joeglow3 Mar 2014 #289

What, your wife doesn't care for c-section mothers? Ilsa Mar 2014 #290

There zero reason for the mother to do that other than using the child as a tool joeglow3 Mar 2014 #291

Or maybe he's a creep that she's doing her Ilsa Mar 2014 #292

She certainly didn't feel strong enough to document that in the proceedings joeglow3 Mar 2014 #293

There may have been other reasons she didnt Ilsa Mar 2014 #294

THIS is what is pathetic joeglow3 Mar 2014 #297

Yeah, make the judge's decision all about ME! Ilsa Mar 2014 #312

And judges have said gay marriage bans are fine joeglow3 Mar 2014 #313

Their very first parenting FAIL My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #72

They will all survive JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #88

Indeed - every little parenting decision is up for a fight. Chemisse Mar 2014 #138

"Any interest a father has before the child�s birth is subordinate to the mother�s interests," Drale Mar 2014 #4

Took the words right out of my mouth nt riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #8

Could. Should. Will it? Who knows. eggplant Mar 2014 #15

That is the legal basis behind Roe vs Wade. happyslug Mar 2014 #211

There you go. Ilsa Mar 2014 #271

When the father libodem Mar 2014 #7

This JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #11

. libodem Mar 2014 #17

when the mother leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #21

"Our baby our choice" geek tragedy Mar 2014 #25

My butthole literally clenched up at the thought of this. Arkana Mar 2014 #26

Cry me a river joeglow3 Mar 2014 #30

He has no rights at childbirth if they're not geek tragedy Mar 2014 #65

He has no rights until paternity is established, post-birth. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #219

You do know babies jamzrockz Mar 2014 #48

Ever heard of the need for an episiotomy? Lars39 Mar 2014 #80

That made me spit all over my monitor liberal N proud Mar 2014 #62

"Take your bottom lip . . . Brigid Mar 2014 #107

You are trying to make me fall out of my chair liberal N proud Mar 2014 #110

"My wife stood up in the stirrups . . . Brigid Mar 2014 #120

Cosby is always a riot! liberal N proud Mar 2014 #160

I would consider it if the father could breastfeed with his own milk. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #177

My sentiments exactly! nt Tumbulu Mar 2014 #263

You are assuming that the woman and the man are still together HockeyMom Mar 2014 #16

+1 nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #335

Duh. Not a close call legally. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #22

No it is not joeglow3 Mar 2014 #32

I don't think that both parents do have a legal right missingthebigdog Mar 2014 #56

The mother never disputed it was his kid joeglow3 Mar 2014 #58

Legally, he's the father when he signs the geek tragedy Mar 2014 #67

Exactly. missingthebigdog Mar 2014 #71

I am merely educating you on the law missingthebigdog Mar 2014 #69

Actually, no. arikara Mar 2014 #61

+1 Sweet Freedom Mar 2014 #76

yep -- seems pretty clear cut fishwax Mar 2014 #228

Very precedent-setting, Arkana Mar 2014 #24

Biological fathers have never had any authority geek tragedy Mar 2014 #28

Two people allowed in Labor and Delivery HockeyMom Mar 2014 #31

I wanted my mom to be with me. Sweet Freedom Mar 2014 #60

So did I and she was. Maybe it's a family thing,I don't think sufrommich Mar 2014 #68

I was terrified! Sweet Freedom Mar 2014 #73

Agreed. No matter how much you read up sufrommich Mar 2014 #75

I will think about it HockeyMom Mar 2014 #116

First off VA_Jill Mar 2014 #43

Rights bongiver Mar 2014 #64

because the custodial parent never pays child support. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #83

Custodial bongiver Mar 2014 #91

an unmarried mother is always the custodial parent, until a court says geek tragedy Mar 2014 #93

Custodial bongiver Mar 2014 #96

if he signs the birth certificate, he's on the hook for child support geek tragedy Mar 2014 #98

Custody bongiver Mar 2014 #99

the mother has custody until the court says otherwise nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #102

Custody bongiver Mar 2014 #112

just like pregnancy is and actually it isn't gender-biased geek tragedy Mar 2014 #114

Cunfusion bongiver Mar 2014 #117

you're confusing gender and sex, also geek tragedy Mar 2014 #118

Marines bongiver Mar 2014 #124

once the man has established paternity then there is a court system to determine geek tragedy Mar 2014 #128

Joint bongiver Mar 2014 #135

buh-bye nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #141

I wish I'd barred some people from the delivery room My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #63

I hope at least it wasn't your first child... JudyM Mar 2014 #79

Ha, I can top that. My doc stopped rotating my son giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #87

Breach birth, no C-Section, in 1979 HockeyMom Mar 2014 #104

They didn't ask your permission? CTyankee Mar 2014 #111

No HockeyMom Mar 2014 #127

not me. I was always a badass in labor...pain did that to me... CTyankee Mar 2014 #134

I made the mistake of inviting the local DU meetup. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #143

Nurses from 2 shifts all crowded in to watch my birth. Chemisse Mar 2014 #144

Weaksauce from the mother... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #109

yeah, how dare she insist on only having people she wants present while she's in geek tragedy Mar 2014 #119

I'm just calling it as I see it Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #122

"unless there's something I'm missing about their time together" geek tragedy Mar 2014 #123

which is my point... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #126

if you don't know, probably best not to judge geek tragedy Mar 2014 #130

Well, one commenter from the article addresses that, PotatoChip Mar 2014 #136

Nobody is entitled to be in the delivery room arikara Mar 2014 #220

What grudge card? PotatoChip Mar 2014 #121

"weaksauce"? how many babies have you given birth to? CreekDog Mar 2014 #155

Thank you n/t VA_Jill Mar 2014 #183

You've obviously never given birth gollygee Mar 2014 #277

Sad that these things are necessary. Fearless Mar 2014 #115

In my case, I'd have preferred it if the father were present at the childbirth My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #131

you win the thread nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #132

Hahah! Chemisse Mar 2014 #145

LOL cause it's so darn true! n/t JimDandy Mar 2014 #154

Bingo! nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #272

This should be a DUzy! Jamastiene Mar 2014 #284

This strikes me as odd. Butterbean Mar 2014 #133

it became an issue because some jerk decided to take the mother to court geek tragedy Mar 2014 #139

Ah, I see. Nasty situation. n/t Butterbean Mar 2014 #159

seems they worked out custody issues rebecca_herman Mar 2014 #184

Can't blame her there. Butterbean Mar 2014 #192

I can't believe this would even go to court. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #142

may I ask you a question? CTyankee Mar 2014 #148

I don't know, because to me there isn't even an 'argument' here. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #152

I just think that "privacy" is a buzzword for some people to mean "sex." CTyankee Mar 2014 #157

Maybe. I dont know. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #161

I like your response, Warren! CTyankee Mar 2014 #164

some clients prefer a lawyer who's stupidly aggressive geek tragedy Mar 2014 #165

And some asses are so big they don't even make hats in that size. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #166

+1000. I don't believe in hell, but if it existed I imagine geek tragedy Mar 2014 #170

Close the thread. Warren wins. nt LeftyMom Mar 2014 #216

the New Jersey Law Journal has different information geek tragedy Mar 2014 #151

Bad rationale treestar Mar 2014 #153

That's what the court said, that her interests in medical privacy geek tragedy Mar 2014 #163

It's Menz Rights Central around here! Squinch Mar 2014 #162

Right? That those arguments are being made on DU... Zenlitened Mar 2014 #186

Juries refuse to hide misogynistic comments, ergo misogynists feel welcome geek tragedy Mar 2014 #190

And they appear to be reproducing...all by themselves...like flukes... Squinch Mar 2014 #199

I've lost the ability to alert, but: geek tragedy Mar 2014 #201

I don't know what's happening. And you are right: a lot of it is very characteristic of Republican Squinch Mar 2014 #197

DU is turning into an MRA and gun humper magnet. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #261

No doubt gollygee Mar 2014 #278

A man actually fought in court to be in the delivery room? LittleBlue Mar 2014 #167

Who is the Baby Daddy ? warrant46 Mar 2014 #169

"Senator Edwards, you ARE the father of this child." nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #171

LOL-- NT warrant46 Mar 2014 #172

later in the day Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #193

Well, yeah, it's a medical procedure. Deep13 Mar 2014 #203

"Any interest a father has before the child�s birth is subordinate to the mother�s interests," Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #205

I know. The ruling is so sensible and brief. Laffy Kat Mar 2014 #239

When I was born my dad was in another room and my mom was unconscious. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #221

I agree with the ruling. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #225

I wouldn't want a man staring at my @#$^)*& or me while I'm popping out a baby nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #235

heh...but what if you have a male doctor? penultimate Mar 2014 #333

I don't want a male gyn or obstetrician. I never understood why a man would want to be a gyn Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #334

I'm glad the judge was guided by the baby's best interest, pnwmom Mar 2014 #264

None of my ex-boyfriends were invited to be in my Ilsa Mar 2014 #273

No SHIT!!!! HockeyMom Mar 2014 #328

Vaginal breach birth HockeyMom Mar 2014 #329

Can't really argue with this at all... penultimate Mar 2014 #332