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ColesCountyDem

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57. I was thinking they were at FL 360 or 365, but we essentially agree.
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 06:44 PM
Mar 2014

Stewart's plane suffered catastrophic decompression at some point as it was ascending to FL 390 from FL 230, but before reaching it. I was using Stewart's flight for purposes of illustration, primarily because both it and the Malaysian 777 had 2 man crews and were at similar altitudes ( again, if I recall correctly, after 14 or 15 years ).

So many folks here are understandably mystified and posting a lot of 'the FAA says' or 'Mr. X, on CNN says' type stuff in an attempt to make sense of this mystery, and I get that and in no way mean to sound critical or condescending toward them. What I think is happening, however, is that they hear '15 seconds before losing consciousness' without understanding that that is the absolute 'upper end' of the time limit, whereas a diminished level of consciousness can begin almost immediately, and a greatly diminished level of consciousness can occur in a VERY few more seconds later. I chose 5-8 seconds a a 'happy medium', so to speak.

Your point about the flight crew's prior behavior is well taken. If you've been told to ascend to FL 350 and maintain, as this crew had been, it's not unreasonable to assume that the crew may well have (and likely would have) engaged the auto-pilot and been IN the cockpit, but not necessarily in their seats and ready to instantly respond to the emergency. As I'm thinking you most likely understand, during a catastrophic decompression a whole cr*pload of deadly serious stuff happens all at once, and the craft's survival is a matter of the flight crew doing several critical tasks in a VERY few seconds.

While virtually anything IS a possible explanation for this mystery, most reasonable people will agree that "when one hears hoof beats, one does NOT assume that they're caused by zebras".

Let's explore this further, shall we?

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Whatever happened it sure is going to be interesting when we find it all out. Agschmid Mar 2014 #1
Agree. Cha Mar 2014 #8
IF we find it all out philosslayer Mar 2014 #62
As it's been repeatedly said... SoapBox Mar 2014 #2
The Guardian has it too pscot Mar 2014 #3
Disinfo. Leroy Jenkins. Mar 2014 #4
LOL...you that guy from Warcraft? Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #5
Leeeeeroy Jenkins!!! Leroy Jenkins. Mar 2014 #6
How about-nobody knows what happened, that's the truth TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #15
I'm Starting to Wonder RobinA Mar 2014 #45
Why can the transponders be turned off to begin with? Recursion Mar 2014 #7
Almost all electronics onboard can be turned off, or have the breaker popped SeattleVet Mar 2014 #9
So it was about an hour.5 into the flight, with a destination then 4.5 hours, roughly. aircraft jtuck004 Mar 2014 #10
If the thing flew on by autopilot for about four hours . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #12
Or somewhere in the ocean. jtuck004 Mar 2014 #13
level flight does not mean straight line flight caraher Mar 2014 #14
The plane curves because of the pilot or autopilot. In this case there may be neither, jtuck004 Mar 2014 #44
Gravity is exactly what pulls it caraher Mar 2014 #59
I wasn't clear. What I meant was that if a pilot sets it to fly somewhere, in the jtuck004 Mar 2014 #60
The codes aren't permanently assigned. kristopher Mar 2014 #20
They don't recognize modes of operation? Recursion Mar 2014 #42
They need off positions on all electronics in case of shorts. n/t EX500rider Mar 2014 #52
Pro golfer Payne Stewart's plane flew for hours before it crashed. ColesCountyDem Mar 2014 #11
The autopilot on this plane will take it down to 10K ft in that event. nt kristopher Mar 2014 #21
15 to 30 seconds, according to the FAA: muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #22
The 777 HAD that problem early on too.... Pholus Mar 2014 #26
Stewart was in a Lear 35 - cruise alt 41,000 rickford66 Mar 2014 #53
I was thinking they were at FL 360 or 365, but we essentially agree. ColesCountyDem Mar 2014 #57
sure rickford66 Mar 2014 #61
First flight investigation I can remember that resembles DU. bemildred Mar 2014 #16
Good one groundloop Mar 2014 #17
Speculation is fun. Bashing other posters in righteous indignation is even more fun. bemildred Mar 2014 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author onecent Mar 2014 #23
It really does - and all the intrigue keeps attention from the obvious tragedy for those on the karynnj Mar 2014 #24
People like to be right, and they like to think they know what is going on. bemildred Mar 2014 #31
This should be a DUzy! Jamastiene Mar 2014 #37
Malaysia's transport minister denies reports plane flew on for hours muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #18
I don't believe anything Malaysian athorities say at this point. B2G Mar 2014 #25
Still, that 4+ hours of flight time seems fantastical.... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #35
The Malaysian military already said B2G Mar 2014 #36
Well, they would have tracked it for much longer then Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #38
You can't get a signal at 30,000 feet over the ocean. B2G Mar 2014 #39
We have always been at war with EastAsia. lapislzi Mar 2014 #28
what a clusterfuck - call the witch doctor back Baclava Mar 2014 #27
There we go jsr Mar 2014 #29
He might have about the same amount of luck as most of us at figuring it out. n/t Jamastiene Mar 2014 #40
witch doctors in suits marions ghost Mar 2014 #41
First, this report is just as likely to be bogus mn9driver Mar 2014 #30
Rolls-Royce is denying the claim. Remember, it was the Wall Street Journal which is Murdoch. I don't OregonBlue Mar 2014 #32
Link to their denial? B2G Mar 2014 #34
It was Malaysia’s Defense & acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein... countryjake Mar 2014 #58
The White House seems to believe it bigworld Mar 2014 #49
Wow, can't believe there are still so many "unconfirmed reports".... cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #33
Like I've told you all ... Hurley obviously didn't enter the Numbers into the Computer on time brett_jv Mar 2014 #43
Wouldn't it be nice if all those passengers may still be alive. I feel for the relatives Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #47
(Latest Update) Now the Pentagon is confirming this original report... countryjake Mar 2014 #46
"...new information is not necessarily conclusive." Jerry442 Mar 2014 #51
Update from the Washington Post bigworld Mar 2014 #48
This is turning into a Twilight Zone episode!!!!!! LongTomH Mar 2014 #50
You get a gold star for BEST THREAD POST!!!!! northoftheborder Mar 2014 #55
Helios Airways Flight 522 looks more and more likely to me...or Somali pirates.. EX500rider Mar 2014 #54
Everybody is guessing WhoWoodaKnew Mar 2014 #56
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