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happyslug

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33. That is NOT what is reported in the Boston Globe:
Fri Mar 14, 2014, 02:03 PM
Mar 2014
In recent weeks, Walsh tried to broker a deal between MassEquality and parade organizers to end a controversy that has festered for two decades. He succeeded in getting parade organizers to invite MassEquality to allow 20 gay veterans who are members of the group LGBT [Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender] Veterans for Equality to march in the parade.

But the offer came with the condition that members refrain from making any reference to sexual orientation during the parade.

The parade sponsor, backed by a Supreme Court ruling, has said that gays and lesbians have always been allowed to participate and that any form of political activism is banned to maintain the spirit of the parade. MassEquality rejected the condition that its group not march as openly gay veterans.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/03/12/gay-veterans-push-back-against-organizers-patrick-day-parade/pcHlEjFzlLk14UeDZuxyRL/story.html


So an invitation was made, but on the condition that they do NOT mention sexual orientation. Thus they were offered the right to march with their name of their organization in front of them, but with the provision that they sexual orientation NOT be mentioned.

I hate to say this, the veterans who RUN the parade seems to have tried to come up with a compromise, but MassEquality does not want to compromise. To get you must often give and I just do not see any give by MassEquality. Now MassEquality MAY viewed the propose compromise as less then what the veterans could give, but does MassEquality willing to give up to show they are willing to address the concerns of the Veterans who run the parade?

It almost sounds like the Veterans were told they had to give in, but no such request was made to MassEquality. That is a recipe for failure and it failed. I have done negotiations and you have to be willing to address the concerns of the other side. You may reject those concerns, but that does not mean you can just ignore them. The more I read about this situation is MassEquality keeps on dismissing the concerns of the Veterans. I would say the same about the Veterans, but they appear to have MADE AN OFFER TO MassEquality, but with a condition MassEquality rejected.

My advice to MassEquality would have been to accept the offer with the restriction and March. Once in the parade you can expand what is permitted in coming years as the Veterans see you are NOT a harm to their parade. I suspect MassEquality wants in all now, and the Veterans are NOT willing to do that at the present time.

Remember the old rule of marketing, your customer's problems are also your problems. Thus the problems the Veterans have with having MassEquality in their parade in also a problem for MassEquality. The same with the Veterans. the problems of MassEquality as to conditions are also a problem for the Veterans. People have to work together and that does NOT mean I win, you lose, it means we work something out that works, even of both of us dislike it for different reasons.

As I said earlier, from reading the report of the Boston Globe I would blame MassEquality, for at least the Veterans did give in on the issue of them actually being in the parade. That was a huge change for the Veterans. MassEquality should have accepted offer with the the restriction and March, just to show the concerns of the Veterans are unfounded. Remember that offer AND acceptance could be grounds to expand later on, but sometime people need to go slow, and the offer with its restriction, while a small step is still a step.

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Excellent. eShirl Mar 2014 #1
Good for them. malthaussen Mar 2014 #2
Sam Adams is my brand of beer! KansDem Mar 2014 #3
I'm not crazy about their beer, but now I may be "forced" to drink it! George II Mar 2014 #4
Cheers to Sam Adams! tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #5
Love Sam Adams... Historic NY Mar 2014 #6
The comments are hilarious. Brigid Mar 2014 #7
They were always out-of-step? HubertHeaver Mar 2014 #19
That is NOT what is reported in the Boston Globe: happyslug Mar 2014 #33
I think CharlieE is being sarcastic. Brigid Mar 2014 #46
The point is being allowed to participate as a gay person. yardwork Mar 2014 #63
It is called the nose of the camel in the tent happyslug Mar 2014 #65
Um, no. Not in this case. yardwork Mar 2014 #70
Who said to pretend to be straight? happyslug Mar 2014 #71
They weren't allowed to hold a sign stating the name of their group yardwork Mar 2014 #72
That I did not hear, but is it important? happyslug Mar 2014 #74
You really don't get it. /nt yardwork Mar 2014 #75
I have been fighting wrongs all my life happyslug Mar 2014 #76
But Miller Light is still parading around. Kablooie Mar 2014 #8
If you could make the can into a liquid and add a touch of formaldehyde... yurbud Mar 2014 #14
some woman thought her husband's miller light was making him fat, so she poured some into a yurbud Mar 2014 #15
"Your horse has diabetes." DeSwiss Mar 2014 #59
Yay! I can keep drinking it! sir pball Mar 2014 #9
and I was just ruminating on what beer I'm going to buy for the weekend mike dub Mar 2014 #10
Just what I needed... albino65 Mar 2014 #11
they should give a free beer to anyone willing to shout, "I'm Irish and I'm gay!" yurbud Mar 2014 #12
Hmmm, I am neither... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #55
exactly. there would be a lot more gays if there was free beer in it. yurbud Mar 2014 #56
Well, one thing I just thought about... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #57
It's a great beer! MissMillie Mar 2014 #13
Good. k&r uppityperson Mar 2014 #16
Love their seasonal 12-packs. DinahMoeHum Mar 2014 #17
Good for you...... BlueJac Mar 2014 #18
Glad to hear it. I wouldn't want to give up drinking Sam Adams brews. Paladin Mar 2014 #20
Homophobia exists everywhere. The parade is organized by a religious group. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #64
Have a beer, light up a cigarette. Was it good for you? (nt) Paladin Mar 2014 #67
I tried Sam Adams once africanadian Mar 2014 #21
Most people would not agree with you. MADem Mar 2014 #25
Give me a cold Labatt anyday! africanadian Mar 2014 #27
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They brew a multitude of beers. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #28
With all due respect Tribalceltic Mar 2014 #43
If you like Pilsners you will find their Noble Pils very drinkable. alfredo Mar 2014 #49
Oh! SoapBox Mar 2014 #22
I may have to give that brand another chance. Jokerman Mar 2014 #23
Maybe they need to get a permit and throw their OWN parade....I think a lot of people would attend. MADem Mar 2014 #24
That was lovely of them JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #26
I feel like a Sam Adams! Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #29
Woohoo! I'll go buy some! Agschmid Mar 2014 #30
I remember the time the Supreme Judicial Court told them they had to let LGBT people march KamaAina Mar 2014 #31
It's the new "Just march, don't tell" parade policy nobodyspecial Mar 2014 #35
ha! nt JudyM Mar 2014 #40
Good Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #32
Yippeeeee! Borchkins Mar 2014 #34
Good for them Warpy Mar 2014 #36
Sam Beer Tonight!!! charlives Mar 2014 #37
South Boston is an ethnic Irish neighborhood separated from the Black neighborhood.... Mustellus Mar 2014 #38
Good for them TlalocW Mar 2014 #39
Peace through beer shenmue Mar 2014 #41
Awesome, but I'll stick with Deschutes for my sparse beer needs :) Scootaloo Mar 2014 #42
Good on Sam Adams! Thanks Don~ Cha Mar 2014 #44
Oh yeah... TRoN33 Mar 2014 #45
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I used to anticipate that Summer Ale so much! idendoit Mar 2014 #47
Their Noble Pils is not bad at all. It's a good Pilsner. I'm glad they are alfredo Mar 2014 #48
I've always wondered: How did Boston's parade get held hostage by a tiny group of bigots? baldguy Mar 2014 #51
I'm still not interested in drinking their beer Trajan Mar 2014 #52
my favorite domestic. I thought Jim Koch was a repuke though Doctor_J Mar 2014 #53
His donations have all been to Democrats. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #69
I think I will buy a six pack... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #54
Far right wing assholes are exerting pressure all over the nation. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #60
A toast to Sam Adams! Android3.14 Mar 2014 #61
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I'm about to go to the supermarket. Beacool Mar 2014 #66
Glad to hear this. Always liked their beer, anyway. This closeupready Mar 2014 #68
I hope there is a boycott of Sam Adams! Beach Rat Mar 2014 #73
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