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95. Oh, now it's that now. "Unfounded speculation"...

Sat Mar 15, 2014, 11:36 AM

Mar 2014

I guess the term 'conspiracy theorist' doesn't have the cache it once had.

Human beings speculate every day about what is going on in the world we live in. We judge and make inferences and have 'hunches' and theorize (in the everyday sense) about what actions we should take, and what's true and what's not, and we do that from the time we get up until the time we go to bed at night. If we didn't, we probably wouldn't survive very long.

Surely you're not saying individuals shouldn't ask the who, what when where and why of things. Or are you saying you're the only arbiter of what's unfounded and what's not?

I'm going to say what I said in another post in this thread: Some people don't want us to ask too many questions. I could 'speculate' as to why, I suppose.

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Malaysian Officials have concluded missing flight #MH370 was hijacked and steered off course [View all] Renew Deal Mar 2014 OP

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Search where? Renew Deal Mar 2014 #2

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1,780m on the 200 variant. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #30

Exactly... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #34

Right, pangaia Mar 2014 #67

With the amount of fuel as was likely to be left, pangaia Mar 2014 #64

can you land a big plane like that in the desert? Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #110

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And if it were part of a planned operation how hard would it be? kristopher Mar 2014 #124

Sadly, no passenger would survive the time the plane was at 45,000 feet. PSPS Mar 2014 #22

Why not? awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #35

Because it's service ceiling is 43,100 ft whopis01 Mar 2014 #43

How do you know that the ceiling is due to the limit of the ability to maintain pressurization? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #49

Because that is the pressurization limit whopis01 Mar 2014 #52

Who says it's the pressurization limit? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #69

Just saw your post right after I posted mine just below. pangaia Mar 2014 #71

This (from someone who claims to know the plane): muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #74

Boeing (combined with regulations) says it is the pressurization limit whopis01 Mar 2014 #81

Thanks - that does make sense, looking at different versions muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #92

The service ceiling is based on the aircrafts ability pangaia Mar 2014 #70

FAA does not define it the way you do. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2014 #79

I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are saying, but I will try to explain my point whopis01 Mar 2014 #83

Cabin pressure alone is not the ONLY limiting factor MyNameGoesHere Mar 2014 #119

Correct. The ceiling will be limited by the lowest altitude factor. whopis01 Mar 2014 #126

This AM CNN had a segment with a 777 flight simulator at 45K kristopher Mar 2014 #128

Came across the video - here's the link kristopher Mar 2014 #152

Thanks... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #96

I always thought passenger drop-down oxygen masks were deployed truth2power Mar 2014 #78

They are, but work for only a few minutes. PSPS Mar 2014 #85

thanks. Clears that up. n/t truth2power Mar 2014 #88

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I am with you "previously unbelievale" Iwasthere Mar 2014 #138

What's scary is it's NOT a conspiracy, if all it takes is one person to hijack a plane! JimDandy Mar 2014 #143

Aren't there oxygen masks on planes? bitchkitty Mar 2014 #103

Yes, but they work for only a few minutes. PSPS Mar 2014 #105

That's bad news... bitchkitty Mar 2014 #107

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It did climb to 45,000. That came out days ago. PSPS Mar 2014 #146

I hope you are right davidpdx Mar 2014 #56

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So I guess those of us who thought the plane was stolen were not "conspiracy theorists" after all Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #3

.... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #10

Can't disagree with that Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #13

Great quote! red dog 1 Mar 2014 #19

That's a keeper. And here's another one about conspiracies... truth2power Mar 2014 #77

Michael Parenti is brilliant, pure & simple. red dog 1 Mar 2014 #127

Thanks for pointing out the JFK material on the Parenti site. I'll take a look... truth2power Mar 2014 #145

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Exactly. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #135

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As the OP confirms, it wasn't "wild unfounded speculation" kristopher Mar 2014 #65

Well then I guess anyone who suggested anything was talking out their asses Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #76

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It was based on official Malaysian statements that the plane doubled back over the Malacca strait BlueStreak Mar 2014 #130

When it became clear that the plane drastically altered course, B2G Mar 2014 #141

Oh, now it's that now. "Unfounded speculation"... truth2power Mar 2014 #95

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Didn't the release of the alleged fact that cell phones savannah43 Mar 2014 #139

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I guess for tonight anyway... SoapBox Mar 2014 #7

Look at this Renew Deal Mar 2014 #8

Another article I read said that is what you hear when the system is looking for your phone uppityperson Mar 2014 #21

Well the other theory would be if the plane were hijacked and the passengers were alive davidpdx Mar 2014 #54

The poor families. Too many "ifs" still, as my spouse said "movie makings". nt uppityperson Mar 2014 #129

If I turn my cell off and call it from another phone whopis01 Mar 2014 #44

Picture at the link is heartbreaking: freshwest Mar 2014 #132

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''Conclusive'' :-| n/t DeSwiss Mar 2014 #12

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K&R.....Thanks for posting red dog 1 Mar 2014 #20

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I think there will be a statement with no questions and then Renew Deal Mar 2014 #24

Did you catch an updated time for the statement? nt greyl Mar 2014 #26

No Renew Deal Mar 2014 #28

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