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In reply to the discussion: Moscow signals concern for Russians in Estonia [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)63. My first thought. Don't fuck with NATO, it won't go well. Like it or not, they're in this:
Last edited Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:32 AM - Edit history (1)

The combined military spending of all NATO members constitutes over 70% of the world's defence spending...
Article 5 of the North Atlantic treaty, requiring member states to come to the aid of any member state subject to an armed attack, was invoked for the first and only time after the 11 September 2001 attacks,[5] after which troops were deployed to Afghanistan under the NATO-led ISAF. The organization has operated a range of additional roles since then, including sending trainers to Iraq, assisting in counter-piracy operations[6] and in 2011 enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya in accordance with U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973.
The less potent Article 4, which merely invokes consultation among NATO members, has been invoked four times: by Turkey in 2003 over the Iraq War, twice in 2012 by Turkey over the Syrian Civil War after the downing of an unarmed Turkish F-4 reconnaissance jet and after a mortar was fired at Turkey from Syria[7] and by Poland in 2014 following the Russian intervention in Crimea...[8][4]
The members agreed that an armed attack against any one of them in Europe or North America would be considered an attack against them all. Consequently they agreed that, if an armed attack occurred, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence, would assist the member being attacked, taking such action as it deemed necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. The treaty does not require members to respond with military action against an aggressor. Although obliged to respond, they maintain the freedom to choose the method by which they do so.
This differs from Article IV of the Treaty of Brussels, which clearly states that the response will be military in nature. It is nonetheless assumed that NATO members will aid the attacked member militarily. The treaty was later clarified to include both the member's territory and their "vessels, forces or aircraft" above the Tropic of Cancer, including some Overseas departments of France.[13]
In other words, the strong will protect the weak, like Estonia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO
An link to an interesting piece on NATO's current role in the world is below, and it explains a great many questions we see on DU. Such as why are Navy SEALS doing this or that overseas. It explains almost everything that Obama has done abroad, as well. And no, it's not because he:

Nice of EarlG to clear that up.
Here's that explanation, it's worth the read for those who ask those things and don't know why Obama does what he does, which is his constitutional duty:
http://www.un-arm.org/PoAISS/GlobalOrganization.aspx?GlobalOrganizationId=2
A dissenting view on NATO's usefulness from Forbes, one can decide if he's right or wrong. I read it and I then read his other writings...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2013/04/22/natos-lack-of-any-serious-purpose-means-it-should-retire/
Unfortunately, he sounds like a total ass in his other writings, and surely has an agenda:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/
So take your salt shaker. But consider the impact of Russia and China forging alliances for trade.
Don't you think that as China ascends, the power of NATO and other such organizations will logically decrease?
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Hillary can, but the usual crowd around here bashed her for making the analogy.
Beacool
Mar 2014
#141
Too bad, so sad Pooty Poot. Estonia is a NATO country, which means your goons
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#6
it's bluster, Russians hate Estonia, fricking hate that country with a passion,
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#9
I've heard that theory, never bought it. War between Athens and Sparta was not an
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#29
Yes, and Austria-Hungary and Serbia dragged Germany and Russia, respectively,
amandabeech
Mar 2014
#103
My first thought. Don't fuck with NATO, it won't go well. Like it or not, they're in this:
freshwest
Mar 2014
#63
Hey Pootin, I abused a Russian American, want to come over here and do something about it?
Dustlawyer
Mar 2014
#10
Putin's excuse to invade the Crimea is to protect anyone of Russian decent. I hypothetically
Dustlawyer
Mar 2014
#25
There are enough Russian-speakers in San Jose that ballots, etc. are printed in Russian
KamaAina
Mar 2014
#13
Remember, there is no invading just Estonia. It is now invading NATO and the 28 countries that
okaawhatever
Mar 2014
#82
I don't doubt NATO would step up to the plate for Estonia even if it were a partial invasion. All
okaawhatever
Mar 2014
#100
The Baltic States and Poland have every right to ally their interests with the West
totodeinhere
Mar 2014
#42
Or you believe that US troops can NOT use the Baltic states as a base to attack Russia?
happyslug
Mar 2014
#61
Do you also think that Putin and Russia MUST also try to see this situation
amandabeech
Mar 2014
#105
Is this snark are are you seriously suggesting that the Teutonic Knights' exploits
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#44
The Teutonic Knights were NOT Estonians, Latvians or Lithuanians. They were Germans
LiberalEsto
Mar 2014
#118
No! I'm tried of Estonia throwing its weight around causing all sorts of problems....
penultimate
Mar 2014
#54
I know? 'What the heck you been reading?' PBO quote on question when he's gonna nuke Russia... n/t
freshwest
Mar 2014
#65