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tavernier

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135. As a Latvian

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:18 PM

Mar 2014

who saw the way the Russians ravaged my family during the war (relatives to Siberia, mothers being parted from children for years or life, homes and property confiscated... That's how I came to be after my mother and grandparents were run out of their home, trekked to Germany, where my mom met my dad in a DP camp).

I guess anyone can write reams of bullshit defending poor Russia, but reading it just makes me ill to my stomach.

And we haven't even mentioned the ravaged conditions these countries were left in after years of communism. They are just now starting to look cleaned up as they used to, instead of the pig stys and ugly projects that were built over that time.

And Putin isn't sane enough to be scared of anything.

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Moscow signals concern for Russians in Estonia [View all] levp Mar 2014 OP

Can anyone say Sudetenland? hobbit709 Mar 2014 #1

I can also say Ostpreuen and Elsass. eom. Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #5

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #84

Hello and goodbye hobbit709 Mar 2014 #85

History doesn't really repeat itself, but it often rhymes. baldguy Mar 2014 #134

Hillary can, but the usual crowd around here bashed her for making the analogy. Beacool Mar 2014 #141

The bully feels emboldened. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #2

He is certainly "emboldened" by a loud little handful of the DU population. Cha Mar 2014 #67

It's sad. dreamstst Mar 2014 #90

Yeah, they're "trying" but they're not accomplishing Cha Mar 2014 #95

Emboldened also by progressives like Hartmann on RT uhnope Mar 2014 #140

Well this is an unhappy development. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #3

Welcome to DU... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #19

Estonia is a member of NATO. Alas, it won't be a matter of "can." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #23

Yeah, forgot about that... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #40

Thanks for the welcome. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #49

And Poland and England had a mutual defense treaty. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2014 #137

This is sounding disturbingly familiar (n/t) Retrograde Mar 2014 #4

Too bad, so sad Pooty Poot. Estonia is a NATO country, which means your goons geek tragedy Mar 2014 #6

indeed, a member of the EU and NATO frazzled Mar 2014 #7

it's bluster, Russians hate Estonia, fricking hate that country with a passion, geek tragedy Mar 2014 #9

My concern is Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #24

I've heard that theory, never bought it. War between Athens and Sparta was not an geek tragedy Mar 2014 #29

I can see Putin blustering for domestic consumption Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #34

All possible, but I'm pretty sure this is just a tweaking on his part. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #37

And that's why Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were so anxious to join NATO LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #119

Yes, and Austria-Hungary and Serbia dragged Germany and Russia, respectively, amandabeech Mar 2014 #103

What aggressive actions by Estonia? LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #120

I'm sorry that I didn't make myself clear. amandabeech Mar 2014 #130

No need to apologize, I wasn't upset with you, just curious LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #131

I'll keep that in mind! amandabeech Mar 2014 #136

INteresting.. thank you, geek. Cha Mar 2014 #68

My first thought. Don't fuck with NATO, it won't go well. Like it or not, they're in this: freshwest Mar 2014 #63

Thank you for all this information, Fresh.. Cha Mar 2014 #69

YW, friend! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #70

Excellent info Fresh! JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #76

Now we see why sharp_stick Mar 2014 #8

Hey Pootin, I abused a Russian American, want to come over here and do something about it? Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #10

Why did you abuse a Russian American? n/t Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #12

Putin's excuse to invade the Crimea is to protect anyone of Russian decent. I hypothetically Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #25

LMAO ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #31

There are enough Russian-speakers in San Jose that ballots, etc. are printed in Russian KamaAina Mar 2014 #13

South Beach in Miami too! Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #26

Here in the Twin Cities too! n/t geardaddy Mar 2014 #33

the ones in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn don't give a fig about Putin. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #35

Who would have thought? KamaAina Mar 2014 #56

milw has(had) a senior housing building that was virtually all russian dembotoz Mar 2014 #22

Wow...I guess Puty has some kind of a death wish... SoapBox Mar 2014 #11

Putin is a god-damned viper LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #14

+ 1 n/t MBS Mar 2014 #17

Good overview. joshcryer Mar 2014 #21

'Thanks' for this. 'Following' you on this, LibEst. elleng Mar 2014 #32

This should be its own post. geardaddy Mar 2014 #36

Thanks. Just the right post. Iterate Mar 2014 #48

Oh, I wondered what the "Esto" stood for.. thank for this, LE.. Cha Mar 2014 #71

It is interesting to hear someone's take who has roots there davidpdx Mar 2014 #72

Check out Geni.com LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #78

+1! NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #73

Remember, there is no invading just Estonia. It is now invading NATO and the 28 countries that okaawhatever Mar 2014 #82

Assumes that NATO would go to war over partial occupation or annexation-- Igel Mar 2014 #92

I don't doubt NATO would step up to the plate for Estonia even if it were a partial invasion. All okaawhatever Mar 2014 #100

Yes, but it would be very good wine and cheese .... MindMover Mar 2014 #102

France should just cater an entire NATO operation. amandabeech Mar 2014 #104

sounds like Estonia is spelled P-O-L-A-N-D. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #15

"I have seen this movie...we win, in the end." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #27

I'm not sure who "we" is... fujiyama Mar 2014 #62

Heh. So do they. sofa king Mar 2014 #88

Putin - International Concern Troll (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #16

Duzy lol! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #57

that is indeed the question. . MBS Mar 2014 #18

Provocation. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #20

Maybe the shirtless one will try to occupy geardaddy Mar 2014 #28

nope Adam051188 Mar 2014 #30

So Putin, fears NATO will use Estonia as a base against Russia? happyslug Mar 2014 #38

The Baltic States and Poland have every right to ally their interests with the West totodeinhere Mar 2014 #42

You forgot about Poland! geek tragedy Mar 2014 #45

Or you believe that US troops can NOT use the Baltic states as a base to attack Russia? happyslug Mar 2014 #61

I think that's bullshit... Adrahil Mar 2014 #77

Then why are we sending troops??? happyslug Mar 2014 #79

Do you also think that Putin and Russia MUST also try to see this situation amandabeech Mar 2014 #105

Because we are the one nearing RUSSIA, not Russia forces nearing the US. happyslug Mar 2014 #114

Why would the US or NATO want to attack Russia except to defend members? LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #121

As far as I know Russia does have troops doing military exercises LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #125

Excuse me, but Stalin forcibly deported many Baltic citizens to Siberia LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #117

Is any one advocating that today? happyslug Mar 2014 #122

The German forcibly drafted Estonians in WW2. LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #124

Careful...with your incredibly sensible posts... go west young man Mar 2014 #142

Is this snark are are you seriously suggesting that the Teutonic Knights' exploits geek tragedy Mar 2014 #44

. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #58

You have to look from the RUSSIANS point of view, not from the US happyslug Mar 2014 #59

Apparently you think the Russian point of view is the ONLY point of view LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #123

As a Latvian tavernier Mar 2014 #135

Sveiks! LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #138

Hmm is right. 😄 tavernier Mar 2014 #143

I mean, why on EARTH Would the Baltic states feel the need Adrahil Mar 2014 #74

I addressed the Soviet Occupation above happyslug Mar 2014 #81

Why would anyone want to attack Russia in the first place? LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #128

The Teutonic Knights were NOT Estonians, Latvians or Lithuanians. They were Germans LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #118

Putin plans to rebuild the empire. sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #39

No, expanding NATO seems like a brilliant move now. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #46

Absolutely. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #75

I bet a lot of them aren't all that Russian, anymore. sofa king Mar 2014 #89

If I remember correctly, didn't Reagan avebury Mar 2014 #41

Actually, it was the political bent of the government there coupled with amandabeech Mar 2014 #106

1st armored should go sightseeing in the Baltics TomClash Mar 2014 #43

WTF? blackspade Mar 2014 #47

Why is Estonia warmongering? penultimate Mar 2014 #50

Sarcasm, right? uncommonlink Mar 2014 #51

No! I'm tried of Estonia throwing its weight around causing all sorts of problems.... penultimate Mar 2014 #54

Estonia throwing it's weight around. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #55

I know? 'What the heck you been reading?' PBO quote on question when he's gonna nuke Russia... n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #65

I KNOW! Them and their whole "internet access is a basic human right" thing! EmilyAnne Mar 2014 #64

Are you serious? LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #116

Sarcasm erglerbergler Mar 2014 #126

I got facebook friend requests from 10 random people from Estonia penultimate Mar 2014 #132

Estonia is a dagger pointed right at Moscow. Throd Mar 2014 #52

More sarcasm? uncommonlink Mar 2014 #53

I don't see how people keep defending him. tarheelsunc Mar 2014 #60

They're digging in and pushing more Putin is wonderful. It's all the USA's fault Putin's Cha Mar 2014 #66

just a reminder mitchtv Mar 2014 #91

fyi LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #127

I stand corrected, thanks mitchtv Mar 2014 #139

I don't see any of his sycophants on this thread. Codeine Mar 2014 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #87

Estonians have an expression "Vene vark!" KamaAina Mar 2014 #83

Yes. LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #86

Do the younger Russian women have badly bleached hair? amandabeech Mar 2014 #107

Definitely LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #113

Thanks for responding. amandabeech Mar 2014 #115

Gee, why don't we keep pushing their buttons seveneyes Mar 2014 #93

So we just tell a NATO member that if attacked, uncommonlink Mar 2014 #96

We tell a NATO member seveneyes Mar 2014 #97

Estonia is doing nothing wrong. Nt hack89 Mar 2014 #98

My bad seveneyes Mar 2014 #99

What's Estonia doing to not act like a NATO member? uncommonlink Mar 2014 #110

Bad reading comprehension on my part seveneyes Mar 2014 #111

No problem. uncommonlink Mar 2014 #112

Estonia is nothing but a nest of vicious fascists steve2470 Mar 2014 #94

Well then, maybe 2naSalit Mar 2014 #101

What a refreshing thought. n/t amandabeech Mar 2014 #108

The Russians in Estonia could move back to Russia at any time LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #129

Absolutely. I LOVED visiting Tallinn when I lived in St. Petersburg. EmilyAnne Mar 2014 #133

Not buying it. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #109

uhoh Bosonic Mar 2014 #144