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53. I'm not a military expert...

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:03 PM

Mar 2014

...but I'd say Napoleon is irrelevant, and Hitler is more to the point. The USSR didn't exactly kick Hitler's ass, but they did beat him to a bloody stand still and gave the Western Democracies the chance to get into the fight and tip the balance. Ironically, a vehemently anti-liberal, authoritarian regime fought a vehemently anti-liberal, authoritarian regime to a stand off and saved Western liberal democracy.

However, Russia now seems to be just what Obama said it is... just a regional power. They don't have the industrial or economic strength to be more than that.

China doesn't even have the were-withal to field a (real) aircraft carrier capability. (They bought a second-hand, out of date model that isn't really functional as a carrier.) We can park a carrier in the Taiwan Strait, and have, and they can't (yet) do anything about it.

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Russia clarifies Ukraine stance as Sergei Lavrov meets John Kerry in Paris. [View all] dipsydoodle Mar 2014 OP

wasn't a coup PatrynXX Mar 2014 #1

Yeah, but . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #3

We didn't "orchestrate" the overthrow of anything... PosterChild Mar 2014 #19

what's with this oft-repeated BS conspiracy theory? uhnope Mar 2014 #24

What's with people burying their heads in the sand and denying facts? PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #32

"globalresearch.org" don't make me laugh. Thinly disguised Russian talking points uhnope Mar 2014 #42

The facts are in the public record . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #74

yes and the facts easily debunk the conspiracy theory uhnope Mar 2014 #78

Believe whatever makes you happy . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #82

Any credible evidence we "orchestrated" an "overthrow?" I don't think so. NT Adrahil Apr 2014 #93

I have offered a great deal of that evidence already . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #94

What the heck do you think that proves? Adrahil Apr 2014 #95

You are welcome to your opinion. another_liberal Apr 2014 #99

Call it what you want but a bunch of extremists (unelected) took over snappyturtle Mar 2014 #5

Which unelected extremists took over the parliament? MNBrewer Mar 2014 #7

I should have worded that differently. The extremists have taken snappyturtle Mar 2014 #30

The people in the Parliament were elected to be there karynnj Mar 2014 #8

facts do not matter to some nt Duckhunter935 Mar 2014 #10

Wrong. Facts do matter to me. See #30. nt snappyturtle Mar 2014 #38

Under a gun pointed to their heads cosmicone Mar 2014 #17

The Ukrainian parliamentary election of 2012 took place on 28 October 2012 Duckhunter935 Mar 2014 #23

Yes that is true. And some members of Yanukovych's party, The Party of Regions, snappyturtle Mar 2014 #31

True. See #30. nt snappyturtle Mar 2014 #37

+100 !!! And if he had stayed... PosterChild Mar 2014 #20

ppffff! that last line doesn't pass the laugh test. How many times does our government have to yurbud Mar 2014 #79

I wonder how much Secretary Kerry is empowered . . .? another_liberal Mar 2014 #2

Good questions. snappyturtle Mar 2014 #4

While quite true . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #13

That's a common interpretation in the press there. Igel Mar 2014 #28

Any agreement from Kerry and Lavrov would need to be agreed to by Ukraine karynnj Mar 2014 #11

You must have more trust . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #12

Using the analog with Syria, Lavrov's agreement committed Syria karynnj Mar 2014 #16

The current Rada is composed of a part of those who were last elected. another_liberal Mar 2014 #76

Not true - there is a chart showing the parties and the ministers karynnj Mar 2014 #77

But it is not "his party" anymore . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #83

The table of ministers by party was updated 4 times in March - the last March 24. karynnj Mar 2014 #84

Ministers are not the same as Rada members. another_liberal Mar 2014 #85

It is the number of members in the Rada - and the numbers were updated karynnj Mar 2014 #86

There were entire parties outlawed . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #87

I read that some of the western Ukraine municipalities karynnj Mar 2014 #88

Here are links to a few articles on the subject. There are many more, of course. another_liberal Apr 2014 #89

Reading comprehension is important karynnj Apr 2014 #90

Like I said . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #91

I am saying the latter karynnj Apr 2014 #92

In the end, the US will be lucky if they get to keep their puppet gov't in Kiev. reformist2 Mar 2014 #6

OK Duckhunter935 Mar 2014 #9

This is what I've been hearing for a while now from the Russian side. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #14

Neither the US nor the rest of the world should accept a referendum held TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #15

Absolutely! + 100 !!! PosterChild Mar 2014 #21

Obama and Kerry should wake up and smell the coffee cosmicone Mar 2014 #18

RE: and not something the size of Russia or China PosterChild Mar 2014 #22

Have you look at the combined geographical area to which you referred dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #29

Just another case of shock n' awe, dontcha know! snappyturtle Mar 2014 #33

No, I have not, but... PosterChild Mar 2014 #41

not anymore qazplm Mar 2014 #46

Thanks for the update - I'll have to look into it. (nt) PosterChild Mar 2014 #54

Napoleon and Hitler thought the same way. cosmicone Mar 2014 #40

not the same thing qazplm Mar 2014 #47

I'm not a military expert... PosterChild Mar 2014 #53

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #67

yeah no qazplm Mar 2014 #26

The US will act militarily for US interests or NATO/defense pact necessity. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #27

One small problem here: Ukraine is not a NATO country and if Lavrov has his way it won't be. nt snappyturtle Mar 2014 #35

Did I say it was? That's why we're not going to send troops to fight there. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #45

IF Russia were a threat to the entire Ukraine qazplm Mar 2014 #49

I don't think we will. I don't see any scenario in which we put US/NATO troops TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #51

To use a Reagan phrase: "There you go again". See why I may be confused? snappyturtle Mar 2014 #57

Yeah, yeah, we got Ukraine to protest its government and the Parliament TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #58

There's an old saying: Ignorance is bliss. nt snappyturtle Mar 2014 #59

Excuse me. I guess I just assumed that because the OP is about Ukraine snappyturtle Mar 2014 #56

Ukraine isn't and will never be a member of NATO. n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #39

Didn't say it was, nor was going to be. By "sphere", I mean Ukraine wanting TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #48

incredible. Russia is openly threatening to take over south and east Ukraine. Can the dictator uhnope Mar 2014 #25

What are you talking about? snappyturtle Mar 2014 #34

"Frankly speaking, we don't see any other way for the steady development of the Ukrainian state... uhnope Mar 2014 #36

Wrong....not a part of the Russian Federation but as a newly formed Ukraine Federation. snappyturtle Mar 2014 #43

Russian Army was "invited" to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968. Same tactics, different dictator uhnope Mar 2014 #44

American army was "invited" to invade Vietnam, too. Same tactics, different dictator... Lars28 Mar 2014 #50

You're calling LBJ a dictator? Really? And admitting Putin is one & that Crimea parallels Vietnam... uhnope Mar 2014 #52

LBJ tried to kill me. Lars28 Mar 2014 #55

Crimean youth will now be subject to conscription as Russian citizens. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #61

So what? Lars28 Mar 2014 #70

Lars, time to tell us about your support for Putin. uhnope Mar 2014 #68

When did I say I supported Putin? Lars28 Mar 2014 #69

Fair enough. nt uhnope Mar 2014 #72

Wow, so every US President who had a war during conscription was a "dictator"? lol EX500rider Apr 2014 #96

cool story bro. dionysus Apr 2014 #98

Along with Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria...... dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #63

are you actually defending the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968? uhnope Mar 2014 #71

No dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #73

Not openly threatening at this time. But that would be the result, as some in a Ukrianian Federation freshwest Mar 2014 #80

Is this a line from a Superman comic? go west young man Mar 2014 #81

What happened in Ukraine is none of their business, it's a foreign country. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #60

Same applies to all foreign nations. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #62

No other country crossed a border with their military. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #64

You'd said dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #65

Who else is occupying Ukraine? Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #66

"Stop trying to distract with BS." duzy uhnope Mar 2014 #75

RT, LOL. dionysus Apr 2014 #97