Russia clarifies Ukraine stance as Sergei Lavrov meets John Kerry in Paris.

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80. Not openly threatening at this time. But that would be the result, as some in a Ukrianian Federation

might revolt against other parts of the country and decide to vote to join Russia. Sounds like a method to establish a patchwork of groups within nation states to have more civil wars and moving the lines on their territorial maps.

While it might logically end up as you say, I don't see his statement as 'openly threatening.' It was a confused stateement, perhaps it was translated badly. But the precedent could be replicated as was done in Crimea. I think the truth of the matter is Russia and many countries hold a lot of disparate groups together in their Federation or super state, often by conquest, which is a bad basis.

Russia and other nation states have forced groups to get along by force. Not unlike colonial powers did to consolidate land and resources with no regard of the will of the peoples forced to live with each other. It's a recipe for continuing conflict without a strong national vision that all would accept.

In lieu of that, the unifying power of religion is used to persuade all the groups to work together. This is what the Christian Natonalist movement in the USA is about. Or why nations are called 'the Islamic Republic of blank,' and why there was a 'Holy Roman Empire, and that religion was Roman Catholicism. Religion is the default when nations break up, and sometimes, it is the cause.

I am not in possession of all the facts in this, and I think most of us are not. As ugly as Nationalist groups are, they do unify enough people to oppress or eliminate those they dislike. It's hideous.

This conflict, like most of them over in that region, goes so far back in history Americans can't grasp who is right and wrong, other than what media tells us. We try to freeze time and say that the way we think of things with our less than 250 years of history is what the world should do. We are said to be a nation state of people who all voted to join into it, without allegiance to other countries such nations who have been invaded and conquered not just once, but many times like Ukraine.

In your view, is Putin really so dangerous and powerful that we should attack Russia?

I want our country to act with restraint on this matter. I don't think it's a TEOTWAWKI.