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zeemike

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48. Well you seem to know more about it than I do.

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 11:44 PM

Mar 2014

Who told you that they committed no crimes?...and what did they charge them with?...have you seen the evidence of their innocence?
I live way up here and do not hear the whole story so how could I judge it?

But this I do know, that people make up things to support one side or the other, and their has been a long and bloody history in Latin America of power being corrupt and overthrowing governments (and often with the help of our own government) and the help of the media...so I don't reach conclusions as easily as you seem to do.

I will remain skeptical especially sense the propaganda is so strong against Maduro, because the opposition has the money and the power to present it and drown out any truth that is told.
And the evidence for that is in the documentary "The Revolution Will Not Be Telivized"...and the past is usually prologue.

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55% [of Venezuelans] believe Maduro's government "is not democratic anymore" [View all] ChangoLoa Mar 2014 OP

Yes. Or that the CIA has successfully infiltrated the organization. Or kochs. Whatever works! 7962 Mar 2014 #1

And so that justifies a coup? zeemike Mar 2014 #2

No, they talk about a Constituent Assembly, not a coup ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #3

No, that's not how it works - elected leaders are elected leaders Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #4

100% correct n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #7

So anyone who is in opposition to the government cannot be arrested? zeemike Mar 2014 #11

Theoretically, everyone can be arrested, even Maduro ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #15

"He sent paramilitary groups to repress protests." zeemike Mar 2014 #23

the colectivos (paramilitaries) are right there with the national guard and police Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #31

Maduro calls PSUV paramilitary forces to repress protests (mandatory broadcast on TV) ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #34

and there is plenty of video showing colectivos operating along side the police and NG too n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #38

The regime is arresting elected leaders who have not committed crimes. Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #46

Well you seem to know more about it than I do. zeemike Mar 2014 #48

Ms Machado was impeached/ousted for clearly breaking constitutional law. Mika Apr 2014 #67

If Obama threw governors and mayors in jail because demonstrations happened in their states and MADem Apr 2014 #52

It actually makes a coup from the left more likely hack89 Mar 2014 #5

That's definitely possible. n/t Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #47

If I had to bet, I'd bet on that. After all Cabello was in the Army with Chavez. MADem Apr 2014 #54

WHAT Coup are you talking about? brooklynite Mar 2014 #6

Well violent demonstrations that call for him to resign is a coup. zeemike Mar 2014 #10

Calling on someone to resign is not a coup! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #14

And forcing that resignation with violence is a wrong. zeemike Mar 2014 #25

Well violence is wrong no matter who does it but protesting is a right. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #28

Well the country is losing faith in our president too. zeemike Mar 2014 #30

Well if Maduro doesn't listen to his people he won't be re-elected. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #35

And that is as it should be. zeemike Mar 2014 #36

I agree. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #37

Calling for him to resign is a coup? wall_dish Mar 2014 #24

Calling for it no, but with violent demonstrations zeemike Mar 2014 #29

Richard Nixon was not impeached. wall_dish Mar 2014 #32

Same difference. zeemike Mar 2014 #39

True that Clinton was impeached in the House, but he wasn't convicted in the Senate, wall_dish Mar 2014 #40

Nixon would have been convicted in the Senate. amandabeech Apr 2014 #59

I dont think the OP has suggested they have a coup. Just that the majority know they made a mistake. 7962 Mar 2014 #8

Even most elements of the opposition don't favor the "salida" approach. MADem Apr 2014 #51

And that is what our right says about Obama. zeemike Apr 2014 #53

No no no--I am afraid you are not understanding. Maduro IS "ruling by decree." MADem Apr 2014 #55

Well you are the expert on that country so you must be right. zeemike Apr 2014 #57

Why are you saying such uninformed--and frankly rude--things? MADem Apr 2014 #58

because every thing is a CIA plot orchestrated by debbil USA... dionysus Apr 2014 #63

Heh heh! MADem Apr 2014 #64

there's a black helicopter hovering over my house.. gotta go! dionysus Apr 2014 #65

El Universal is sort of like the Wall Street Journal of Venezuela. reformist2 Mar 2014 #9

Consider the source El Universal hates all things socialist. fasttense Mar 2014 #12

El Universal is not the source. But 84% of chavistas do believe Ven is democratic Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #17

The source is the polling firm IVAD, the same one venezuelanalysis uses ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #18

No Kidding. fasttense Mar 2014 #42

Strange poll - the questions themselves, while not a push poll, are negatively phrased karynnj Mar 2014 #13

Another polling source would likely result in worse numbers for the Maduro admin. 74% situation bad Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #16

and so they would vote to return to neoliberal orthodoxy that grinds the poor and middle class to yurbud Mar 2014 #19

Do you think we're a stupid people? Or just a bit primitive maybe? ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #20

I hope Venezuela has more choices. Unfortunately, a lot of center left parties turn out to be yurbud Mar 2014 #21

True. But there's lots of political creativity in Latin America nowadays ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #26

"More Americans than ever disapprove of the way President Obama is doing his job." Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #22

his approval rating isn't the subject of the OP, its whether people believe that Ven is a democracy Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #27

I wonder what the results would be if that question was asked here? zeemike Mar 2014 #43

Well just searched for it and found similar results about how Americans feel... zeemike Mar 2014 #44

Calling on someone who is responsible for the deaths of his own citizens is not a coup dlwickham Mar 2014 #33

That case could be made about Obama. zeemike Mar 2014 #41

so you're comparing dlwickham Mar 2014 #45

Yikes! ... 1000words Mar 2014 #49

That is mind blowing logic. zeemike Mar 2014 #50

not going to cry over a dead terrorist dlwickham Apr 2014 #61

Convicted by who? zeemike Apr 2014 #62

You mean they're getting to be more like us? :-| n/t DeSwiss Apr 2014 #56

55% believe mistranslations. AngryAmish Apr 2014 #60

There sure are a lot of anti-communist liberals here. Lars28 Apr 2014 #66