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32. If Ukraine had agreed to join NATO, Russia would have developed the Black Sea ports

Tue Apr 1, 2014, 08:23 PM

Apr 2014

that are now within the Russian Federation as the new home or homes of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, and no Russian president would have had any reason to go into Ukraine in the first place.

That $50 million spent on Sochi might have been put to better use building a new home for the Russian Navy instead of building a winter resort in a place with decreasing winter.

Instead, the plan was to dominate Ukraine, whether the Ukrainians liked or not.

That's not a good strategy for any country, including ours where applicable. However, when the Philippines asked our military to leave, we did. Of course, they're asking us back in light of their problems with China.

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Ukraine agrees to host NATO war games [View all] Bosonic Apr 2014 OP

Sigh..... PuraVidaDreamin Apr 2014 #1

Because it reveals what complete babes in the wood the Ukrainian Elite are Demeter Apr 2014 #4

the only part of that anyone could dispute is how long it will take. yurbud Apr 2014 #44

Nothing quite like inflaming a situation. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #2

You bet it's inflaming the situation. It is NUTS! snappyturtle Apr 2014 #29

ready to spring across the border dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #30

The picutre didn't show for me. Here's an article, about NBC coverage, snappyturtle Apr 2014 #31

Thanks for that article dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #35

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #3

This doesn't seem like a wise idea. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #5

They are trying to bring back the cold war. Lars28 Apr 2014 #11

Russia reinvigorated NATO. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #6

Or: Nato now has a new excuse for existing. Lars28 Apr 2014 #10

They've been forced to welcome NATO by Putin stealing a chunk of their country uhnope Apr 2014 #7

"Forced"? "Stealing"? Lars28 Apr 2014 #9

truth hurts. Putin's not going to invade any NATO countries and Ukraine appreciates that uhnope Apr 2014 #14

Putin was never going to "invade" Ukraine, except for Crimea. Lars28 Apr 2014 #15

The rest of Ukraine would have got "limited sovereignty" from dictator Putin Kolesar Apr 2014 #17

That is what the Ukraine will get anyway, Russia holds their source of energy happyslug Apr 2014 #39

Putin was never going to invade Ukraine, except for the part he did invade. name not needed Apr 2014 #18

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #21

Then he should pull his troops back from the southern and eastern border with amandabeech Apr 2014 #23

Paranoia is normal for a country without natural borders happyslug Apr 2014 #40

Happyslug, the word you are looking for is "steppes," not "steeps." amandabeech Apr 2014 #43

Do you think Putin would have went into Crimea if Ukraine was a member of NATO before? penultimate Apr 2014 #27

If Ukraine had agreed to join NATO, Russia would have developed the Black Sea ports amandabeech Apr 2014 #32

I think Putin would have, the question then is what would NATO have done. happyslug Apr 2014 #41

you cardboard cutout comrades are a gas. dionysus Apr 2014 #42

NATO suspends civilian and military cooperation with Russia Bosonic Apr 2014 #8

And if Putin marches into Ukraine, which he has threatened, amandabeech Apr 2014 #24

Ukraine is acting like a submissive cosmicone Apr 2014 #12

They look pretty dominant in this picture. Lars28 Apr 2014 #22

You realize that's a Svoboda rally... Xithras Apr 2014 #33

Or like somebody who, Igel Apr 2014 #26

may as well toss a little kerosene on the fire. olddad56 Apr 2014 #13

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #16

War Games involving planes? I think I've seen this movie before. BelgianMadCow Apr 2014 #19

K&R + Ukraine's Inconvenient Neo-Nazis by Robert Parry bobthedrummer Apr 2014 #20

"F*CK THE EU!" It's about NATO! cprise Apr 2014 #25

I agree! Ukraine belongs to Russia and no one has a right to stop them... penultimate Apr 2014 #28

Its more accurate to say Russia considers NATO a hostile bunch. n/t cprise Apr 2014 #34

Its more accurate to say NATO considers Russia a hostile bunch. n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #36

Do they WANT Russia to invade? arewenotdemo Apr 2014 #37

Actually, Sir, That Pretty Well Assures No Invasion By Russia The Magistrate Apr 2014 #38