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Duckhunter935

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14. So using that logic
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:33 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Sat Apr 5, 2014, 04:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Ukraine is still part of Russia so they should be able to take over the rest of the country.

On December 26, 1991, the dissolution of the Soviet Union was finalized by declaration no. 142-H of the Soviet of the Republics of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union,[1] acknowledging the independence of the twelve republics of the Soviet Union, and creating the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).

The current history of the Ukrainian Naval Forces began on August 1, 1992 when it was formally established by order of the President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk. This was followed by a long and controversial partition of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet between newly independent Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

One of the episodes of this process was the story of the SKR-112 – effectively the first Ukrainian Navy ship.[8] On July 20, 1992, the crew of SKR-112 declared itself a Ukrainian ship and raised the Ukrainian flag. The Navy headquarters in Moscow considered this a mutiny and attempted to act accordingly. But the ship left its base on the Crimean peninsula for Odessa, causing a chase and ramming attempts by ships still loyal to Moscow. Soon several other ships, auxiliary vessels, and coastal units of the Black Sea Fleet followed SKR-112's decision but with less violent outcomes.

It was only in 1997 that the ships and equipment of the Black Sea Fleet were officially divided between the two countries.
The new Russian formation retained its historic name "Black Sea Fleet". It was also granted rights to use the majority of its bases on the Crimea Peninsula, Ukraine on a renewable ten-year lease at least until 2017. The newly established Ukrainian Naval Forces received dozens of vessels (mostly obsolete or inoperative) and some shore-based infrastructure. However, the Russian Navy lost several important facilities, most notably the NITKA (Russian acronym for "Scientific testing simulator for shipborne aviation&quot naval aviation training facility in Saky, and the special forces base in Ochakiv. The process of fleet division remains painful since many aspects of the two navies' co-existence are under-regulated, causing recurring conflicts.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Navy

We all know agreements with Russia are worth less then the paper that they signed. As I see it, they were property of UKRAINE agreed to by both countries.

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Between this and IMF terms Cirque du So-What Apr 2014 #1
Their discount still had Ukraine paying more for gas than the EU. Here's a chart of what Ukraine okaawhatever Apr 2014 #2
Transit fee July 2012 was $3.11 per transit of 1,000 cubic meters of gas dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #4
Yes, but that is per 100 kilometers. You have to multiply the dollar amount by the travel distance okaawhatever Apr 2014 #6
Not to mention - if Russia can change the price of gas; why can't Ukraine change the karynnj Apr 2014 #17
Exactly.The problem is, that the Ukraine pipelines service Europe. So hurting those okaawhatever Apr 2014 #19
This is eye opening and shows how corrupt that contract was karynnj Apr 2014 #15
Ukraine has done that. They've attempted a few times, but last year they bought a bunch of gas okaawhatever Apr 2014 #20
Wow - can see comments that they need reform - are understatements karynnj Apr 2014 #21
Russia should pay more than that Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #3
Those were not Ukrainian ships. former9thward Apr 2014 #9
So using that logic Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #14
Yes they were. The Partition Treaty of 1997 divided up the assets. okaawhatever Apr 2014 #18
Thank you nt Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #22
Putin broke the treaty!! Sunlei Apr 2014 #25
Are you saying that because Putin broke the treaty he shouldn't have to pay for the Ukrainian ships okaawhatever Apr 2014 #27
Putin owes Ukraine billions in the items he looted!! instead hes trying to scam Ukraine Sunlei Apr 2014 #30
Oh, absolutely agreed. nt okaawhatever Apr 2014 #32
perhaps Russia should get rid of Putin before he harms their crummy economy even more. Sunlei Apr 2014 #31
I think if Putin wants to complain christx30 Apr 2014 #29
Only if the US goes first. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #11
So...Russia gives Ukraine a deal on gas prices to pay for their leases TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #5
Oh no, better than that. They used the base for at least 3 of the 7 years the gas deal was good for. okaawhatever Apr 2014 #7
I've not seen anything to demonstrate these were part of the lease payment payments. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #8
Going Forward Gasprom might have a case ... GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #33
Waitaminnit. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #10
It was gas. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #12
It was an analogy. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #16
Exactly. I was just looking up something about that deal and found a statement made by okaawhatever Apr 2014 #26
That's how it strikes me, too. And from this thread, it appears Ukrainians were given no incentive freshwest Apr 2014 #36
So, they retroactively owned the Crimea? karynnj Apr 2014 #13
Lets deduct that 11 billion "scam" from what russia embezzeled from Ukraine over the decades Sunlei Apr 2014 #23
the entire russian gazprom 'company' is only worth US$123.2 billion. what a cheat Putin is! Sunlei Apr 2014 #24
That's probably net worth : dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #34
Shouldn't be problem, the IMF has already loaned them the money. olddad56 Apr 2014 #28
Russia can deduct it from it owes Ukraine. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #35
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