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In reply to the discussion: Russia seeks over $11b in ‘debt’ from Ukraine: Gazprom. [View all]Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)14. So using that logic
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Ukraine is still part of Russia so they should be able to take over the rest of the country.
On December 26, 1991, the dissolution of the Soviet Union was finalized by declaration no. 142-H of the Soviet of the Republics of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union,[1] acknowledging the independence of the twelve republics of the Soviet Union, and creating the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).
The current history of the Ukrainian Naval Forces began on August 1, 1992 when it was formally established by order of the President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk. This was followed by a long and controversial partition of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet between newly independent Ukraine and the Russian Federation.
One of the episodes of this process was the story of the SKR-112 effectively the first Ukrainian Navy ship.[8] On July 20, 1992, the crew of SKR-112 declared itself a Ukrainian ship and raised the Ukrainian flag. The Navy headquarters in Moscow considered this a mutiny and attempted to act accordingly. But the ship left its base on the Crimean peninsula for Odessa, causing a chase and ramming attempts by ships still loyal to Moscow. Soon several other ships, auxiliary vessels, and coastal units of the Black Sea Fleet followed SKR-112's decision but with less violent outcomes.
naval aviation training facility in Saky, and the special forces base in Ochakiv. The process of fleet division remains painful since many aspects of the two navies' co-existence are under-regulated, causing recurring conflicts.
One of the episodes of this process was the story of the SKR-112 effectively the first Ukrainian Navy ship.[8] On July 20, 1992, the crew of SKR-112 declared itself a Ukrainian ship and raised the Ukrainian flag. The Navy headquarters in Moscow considered this a mutiny and attempted to act accordingly. But the ship left its base on the Crimean peninsula for Odessa, causing a chase and ramming attempts by ships still loyal to Moscow. Soon several other ships, auxiliary vessels, and coastal units of the Black Sea Fleet followed SKR-112's decision but with less violent outcomes.
It was only in 1997 that the ships and equipment of the Black Sea Fleet were officially divided between the two countries.The new Russian formation retained its historic name "Black Sea Fleet". It was also granted rights to use the majority of its bases on the Crimea Peninsula, Ukraine on a renewable ten-year lease at least until 2017. The newly established Ukrainian Naval Forces received dozens of vessels (mostly obsolete or inoperative) and some shore-based infrastructure. However, the Russian Navy lost several important facilities, most notably the NITKA (Russian acronym for "Scientific testing simulator for shipborne aviation"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Navy
We all know agreements with Russia are worth less then the paper that they signed. As I see it, they were property of UKRAINE agreed to by both countries.
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Their discount still had Ukraine paying more for gas than the EU. Here's a chart of what Ukraine
okaawhatever
Apr 2014
#2
Yes, but that is per 100 kilometers. You have to multiply the dollar amount by the travel distance
okaawhatever
Apr 2014
#6
Not to mention - if Russia can change the price of gas; why can't Ukraine change the
karynnj
Apr 2014
#17
Exactly.The problem is, that the Ukraine pipelines service Europe. So hurting those
okaawhatever
Apr 2014
#19
Ukraine has done that. They've attempted a few times, but last year they bought a bunch of gas
okaawhatever
Apr 2014
#20
Are you saying that because Putin broke the treaty he shouldn't have to pay for the Ukrainian ships
okaawhatever
Apr 2014
#27
Putin owes Ukraine billions in the items he looted!! instead hes trying to scam Ukraine
Sunlei
Apr 2014
#30
perhaps Russia should get rid of Putin before he harms their crummy economy even more.
Sunlei
Apr 2014
#31
Oh no, better than that. They used the base for at least 3 of the 7 years the gas deal was good for.
okaawhatever
Apr 2014
#7
I've not seen anything to demonstrate these were part of the lease payment payments.
dipsydoodle
Apr 2014
#8
Exactly. I was just looking up something about that deal and found a statement made by
okaawhatever
Apr 2014
#26
That's how it strikes me, too. And from this thread, it appears Ukrainians were given no incentive
freshwest
Apr 2014
#36
Lets deduct that 11 billion "scam" from what russia embezzeled from Ukraine over the decades
Sunlei
Apr 2014
#23