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18. Yes they were. The Partition Treaty of 1997 divided up the assets.

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:52 PM

Apr 2014

The Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet was a treaty signed between Russia and Ukraine on 28 May 1997 whereby the two countries established two independent national fleets, and divided armaments and bases between them.[2][3] Under the treaty, the Black Sea Fleet that was located in the Crimean peninsula at the time, was partitioned between Russia (81.7%) and Ukraine (18.3%), with Russia maintaining the right to use the Port of Sevastopol in Ukraine for 20 years until 2017.[4] The treaty also allowed Russia to maintain up to 25,000 troops, 24 artillery systems, 132 armored vehicles, and 22 military planes on the Crimean peninsula.

Subtelny, Orest (2000). Ukraine: A History. University of Toronto Press. p. 600. ISBN 0-8020-8390-0.

Full text of the treaty:
http://zakon4.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/643_076

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Russia seeks over $11b in �debt� from Ukraine: Gazprom. [View all] dipsydoodle Apr 2014 OP

Between this and IMF terms Cirque du So-What Apr 2014 #1

Their discount still had Ukraine paying more for gas than the EU. Here's a chart of what Ukraine okaawhatever Apr 2014 #2

Transit fee July 2012 was $3.11 per transit of 1,000 cubic meters of gas dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #4

Yes, but that is per 100 kilometers. You have to multiply the dollar amount by the travel distance okaawhatever Apr 2014 #6

Not to mention - if Russia can change the price of gas; why can't Ukraine change the karynnj Apr 2014 #17

Exactly.The problem is, that the Ukraine pipelines service Europe. So hurting those okaawhatever Apr 2014 #19

This is eye opening and shows how corrupt that contract was karynnj Apr 2014 #15

Ukraine has done that. They've attempted a few times, but last year they bought a bunch of gas okaawhatever Apr 2014 #20

Wow - can see comments that they need reform - are understatements karynnj Apr 2014 #21

Russia should pay more than that Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #3

Those were not Ukrainian ships. former9thward Apr 2014 #9

So using that logic Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #14

Yes they were. The Partition Treaty of 1997 divided up the assets. okaawhatever Apr 2014 #18

Thank you nt Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #22

Putin broke the treaty!! Sunlei Apr 2014 #25

Are you saying that because Putin broke the treaty he shouldn't have to pay for the Ukrainian ships okaawhatever Apr 2014 #27

Putin owes Ukraine billions in the items he looted!! instead hes trying to scam Ukraine Sunlei Apr 2014 #30

Oh, absolutely agreed. nt okaawhatever Apr 2014 #32

perhaps Russia should get rid of Putin before he harms their crummy economy even more. Sunlei Apr 2014 #31

I think if Putin wants to complain christx30 Apr 2014 #29

Only if the US goes first. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #11

So...Russia gives Ukraine a deal on gas prices to pay for their leases TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #5

Oh no, better than that. They used the base for at least 3 of the 7 years the gas deal was good for. okaawhatever Apr 2014 #7

I've not seen anything to demonstrate these were part of the lease payment payments. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #8

Going Forward Gasprom might have a case ... GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #33

Waitaminnit. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #10

It was gas. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #12

It was an analogy. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #16

Exactly. I was just looking up something about that deal and found a statement made by okaawhatever Apr 2014 #26

That's how it strikes me, too. And from this thread, it appears Ukrainians were given no incentive freshwest Apr 2014 #36

So, they retroactively owned the Crimea? karynnj Apr 2014 #13

Lets deduct that 11 billion "scam" from what russia embezzeled from Ukraine over the decades Sunlei Apr 2014 #23

the entire russian gazprom 'company' is only worth US$123.2 billion. what a cheat Putin is! Sunlei Apr 2014 #24

That's probably net worth : dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #34

Shouldn't be problem, the IMF has already loaned them the money. olddad56 Apr 2014 #28

Russia can deduct it from it owes Ukraine. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #35