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amandabeech

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76. If Putin moves on NATO countries, the increase in the level of crisis

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 04:07 PM

Apr 2014

might be war.

In the NATO treaty, an attack on one is an attack on all. I would expect that Putin will next move against the Baltic Sea countries of Latvia and Estonia. Those two countries were formerly part of the USSR and before that, the Russian Empire. Estonia is on the entrance to the Gulf of Finland which ends at the port of St. Petersburg. Latvia includes the excellent port of Riga on the Baltic Sea which probably still carries a good deal of Russian commercial shipping.

IIRC, Putin has war games going on in Russia very near these two NATO countries right now.

I certainly hope that Putin does not try to invade any NATO country. War is obviously an awful business, and we learned that lesson once again in Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope that we don't have to learn it again.

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Obama team announces $1 billion in aid to Ukraine [View all] n2doc Mar 2014 OP

$17 billion to go... Demeter Mar 2014 #1

That's only short term. EU offered a �1 billion too. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #7

So, only $15.5 BILLION to go Demeter Mar 2014 #8

So is this for shovel ready jobs? aristocles Mar 2014 #2

Because no one needs it here . . . Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #3

I tend to agree. nt Earth_First Mar 2014 #5

I must confess . . . Brigid Mar 2014 #6

Same here. 840high Mar 2014 #34

No doubt durablend Mar 2014 #9

Ukraine is different than us. go west young man Mar 2014 #12

Yup. My first thought, too. City Lights Mar 2014 #13

Diplomacy is expensive, but war is even more expensive Democat Mar 2014 #15

And a billion dollars is going to Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #16

I dunno Iliyah Mar 2014 #17

I agree with you. We need this money here, not in other parts of the globe. Paper Roses Mar 2014 #22

I agree CANDO Mar 2014 #40

I agree with you too. Owl Mar 2014 #23

Yes it's needed here. In fact a lot more than that is needed here. But that doesn't mean that we totodeinhere Mar 2014 #25

But what is it accomplishing? Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #27

There is no way that we will be able to avoid getting involved in this situation unless we totodeinhere Mar 2014 #29

It'll be hard to even get sanctions leftynyc Mar 2014 #31

They've had a mild winter, and we're entering spring jeff47 Mar 2014 #37

The Europeans have issued some sactions. amandabeech Apr 2014 #75

We've got a treaty with Ukraine. You don't need to invoke NATO. jeff47 Mar 2014 #39

That's true. But if he moves on NATO countries that will increase the totodeinhere Mar 2014 #47

If Putin moves on NATO countries, the increase in the level of crisis amandabeech Apr 2014 #76

"There are no clear "good guys" vs. "bad guys" here" - wrong EX500rider Mar 2014 #49

Notice it said part of this is energy aid. I strongly suspect both the US and EU countries are okaawhatever Mar 2014 #55

Wrong branch of government. jeff47 Mar 2014 #35

Thank you. Arkana Mar 2014 #46

Thank you for being realistic. nt okaawhatever Mar 2014 #54

if the republicans want this, Obama should insist on dollar for Doctor_J Mar 2014 #64

It's actually a loan guarantee, not a grant and not even a loan itself. amandabeech Apr 2014 #74

Goody gumdrops dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #4

That amount was mentioned a week or so back in the form of "guarantees" dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #10

I can't say it's gonna happen.... go west young man Mar 2014 #14

Yes we do. 840high Mar 2014 #36

Key word: IMF. Bad deal! Screwing the Ukranian people again. n/t truth2power Mar 2014 #24

Diplomacy: What a great idea! RobertEarl Mar 2014 #11

Unfortunately, IMO this is a giant step dotymed Mar 2014 #19

See also more comprehensive WaPo story (recently updated) MBS Mar 2014 #18

In addition to the $5+ billion already spent to unseat the democratically elected president jtuck004 Mar 2014 #20

This method works for TBF Mar 2014 #26

The democratically elected government was not unseated. That same government's parliament totodeinhere Mar 2014 #28

Perhaps you were watching the Disney channel? Because the one I had showed gangs, including jtuck004 Mar 2014 #48

It looks like you have fallen for Russian propaganda. totodeinhere Mar 2014 #50

My opinion of his treatment of LGBT folk, our neighbors, is that it is just as horrid as it is here jtuck004 Mar 2014 #51

With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. EmilyAnne Mar 2014 #56

I see it's time to up my standards again. Bye. jtuck004 Mar 2014 #57

Getting busy on the proof there? lol nt EmilyAnne Mar 2014 #59

here we go again... nyabingi Mar 2014 #21

Nailed it. go west young man Mar 2014 #32

Straight from the mouth of Mark Levin and Michael (Weiner) Savage snooper2 Mar 2014 #38

fail x 1 billion. KG Mar 2014 #30

Make that 6 BILLION. A sixfold FAIL. Catherina Mar 2014 #72

Unreal. bigwillq Mar 2014 #33

We did all we could to bring the legal government down . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #41

Ukrainians are human beings just as much as Americans are. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #42

+ 100 !!! (nt) reACTIONary Apr 2014 #73

We have hungry, homeless people here. 840high Apr 2014 #77

Is It Aid Or gussmith Mar 2014 #43

A loan which will most likely never be repaid . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #53

LOL ... still thinking they can throw money around 1000words Mar 2014 #44

Putin will use that billion wisely once the Ukraine belongs to him. olddad56 Mar 2014 #45

To everyone so upset at this aid BainsBane Mar 2014 #52

I'm not upset over the aid . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #58

What evidence do you have that this was a US coup? BainsBane Mar 2014 #60

Oh, I don't know . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #61

What is the date of the phone call? BainsBane Mar 2014 #62

No, the phone call was actually well before Yanukovich was forced to flee. another_liberal Mar 2014 #66

I want to make something clear BainsBane Mar 2014 #63

Sadly . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #65

So in other words you have no proof. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2014 #68

The government was not illegally overthrown. totodeinhere Mar 2014 #67

As I have noted more than once already, it was indeed illegal. another_liberal Mar 2014 #69

That is not an accurate account of what happened. But it does very conveniently totodeinhere Mar 2014 #70

The U.S., U.K., Ukraine, and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994, an international treaty totodeinhere Mar 2014 #71

nm. n/t Xithras Apr 2014 #78