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38. This is why I opposed the 2001 AUMF as written
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 10:45 PM
Apr 2014

There is a long precedent (back to the Whiskey Rebellion, the Quasi-War, and the Barbary Wars) that US citizens in a zone of combat deemed to be materially aiding the enemy are liable for military targeting. The 2001 AUMF (which Obama has repeatedly called on Congress to scale back) sets literally no geographical or temporal limits on the scope of military action. People got pissed at Obama for saying "the law would let me attack US citizens in the US, but I won't" -- the fact is he's completely right: the 2001 AUMF does pretty clearly allow that, which is why we need to get rid of it.

What's your argument against the judge's logic, anyways? She said "absent legislation from Congress, under the AUMF there is no legal relief". What law do you think gives legal relief?

You quoted the 5th Amendment, but I'm not sure why. Al-Awlaki was not convicted of a crime by the US, and IIRC not even charged (he was, however, convicted in absentia in Yemen). He's not been held for a crime or even charged with a crime; he was targeted like any other Al Qaeda operative. Just like the US citizens who were sailors on the pirate ships in the Barbary Wars (there were at least a dozen) were targeted under the hostis humani generis principle (which goes back long enough that its name is in Latin). I think you're ignoring the force of the legal precedent here if you expect a judge just to say "this is a bad law so I'm going to overturn it". It is a bad law, but you haven't yet given a reason why the judge should ignore it.

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Just goes to prove you can file suit for anything. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #1
The bin Laden family are friends of the Bush's, one of the US's first-families. delrem Apr 2014 #3
Also, the ones killed on 9/11 was not involved in conflicts, I am so sure this kid was not Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #5
"perhaps in the future"??? delrem Apr 2014 #6
well, do you know what the future may have been for the 15 year old? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #7
He's dead. The US killed him. Period. delrem Apr 2014 #8
Like the price of 9/11? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #9
The fact that the US killed him with a drone has nothing to do with "9/11". delrem Apr 2014 #10
Do you know the reason his father was sought? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #11
He is not his father. delrem Apr 2014 #12
His father recruited followers to follow his commands. Again do you know the reason his father was Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #13
OK. I write you off. Goodbye. delrem Apr 2014 #14
It's quite simple: JoeyT Apr 2014 #17
The son wasn't the target of the strike that killed him (nt) Recursion Apr 2014 #19
he knows this damn well. nt. dionysus Apr 2014 #20
Who was the target of 9/11? I am still waiting on the answer. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #24
What does a kid who was 3 or 4 years old in 2001 have to do Cal Carpenter Apr 2014 #32
You have turned have the whole picture before understanding. Still Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #36
That's one of the vilest defenses I've seen of that particular incident. JoeyT Apr 2014 #16
Yes I continue to site 9/11, still I do not hear the reason why the father was targeted. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #25
It doesn't matter why the father was targeted. JoeyT Apr 2014 #34
Then the rest of the world can say it doesnt matter, the father should have protected Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #37
Seriously?? 9/11 justifies guilt-by-proximity in drone strikes? cprise Apr 2014 #30
Gosh. Whatever happened to the Right to sue government for a redress of grievances? Octafish Apr 2014 #2
You still have that right; but it's proportional to the amount of free speech you have pffshht Apr 2014 #15
The next big thing: proportional voting. Octafish Apr 2014 #22
Err... they did sue. Recursion Apr 2014 #18
Uh, I meant the Justice part. Octafish Apr 2014 #21
So, the court applying the relevant case law on this question... Recursion Apr 2014 #23
What law says it's OK for a president to kill Americans without trial? Octafish Apr 2014 #26
In this case, the 2001 AUMF Recursion Apr 2014 #27
That may trump the Constitution for you, but not for me. Octafish Apr 2014 #28
Military targeting of US citizens goes back to 1791 Recursion Apr 2014 #29
So, you're OK with that? Octafish Apr 2014 #31
What a weird question Recursion Apr 2014 #33
No. I found yours to be an odd answer. Octafish Apr 2014 #35
This is why I opposed the 2001 AUMF as written Recursion Apr 2014 #38
A 16 year old American boy was killed for no good reason. Octafish Apr 2014 #39
Several hundred younger Pakistanis have, too Recursion Apr 2014 #40
The opposite of despair is anger Demeter Apr 2014 #4
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