Russia Supporters Storm Ukraine Government Buildings

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30. Did you see them break windows and shove people around like those guys Kiev did?

Someone downthread has called them 'Putin's thugs.'

With the Crimean take over by people with weapons but not wearing uniforms with national ensignas, I couldn't tell who was doing what until it was all over with. In fact, I'm still not sure that the locals in Crimea didn't want to secede.

I still think Ukrainians could work this out peacefully, not destroy the place and not be inviting foreign forces unless they are being provoked off camera and we don't see it. If they are the majority in Donetska (sp) they have been in charge of things all along, so what's the beef?

They have managed to live together for so long, what's so different now?

I know there is economic and social unhappiness, which is going on all over the planet. As populations increase, living space and resources are decreasing. It's just I feel all we get from media are the sensational things, not a good view of their day to day reality.

Of course the siege in Kiev was impossible to ignore, it was clearly civil war type activities there. One side blamed 'the west and USA' for Kiev, now this looks like the same thing, but from the side that supports Russia against 'the west and USA.' It's ironic to be seeing this, two sides of the same coin.

I freely confess a sense of denial about Putin turning into Hitler and Russia trying to take over the world, or bring back the USSR with more central control. Since he can't do it, thus illogical.

Putin may be trying to get Russians to feel united, in some ways that are horrible and other ways that seem benign. I don't think he's crazy, but he may be a bit of a fanatic as the government likely didn't hire just any old person to be KGB.

I understand how a nation that has been handed over to gangsters and oligarchs with income inequality rising, might try to return to the past that seemed better. It is better to answer to one guiding idea and entity, or a bunch of fly by night firms that rip you off and then change names or move to escape responsibility?

I'm imagining that is part of what the Russians want to end and they want some stability. They want to feel proud of their country and for things to work. There is a freedom for many being inside the corral of a nation, with all working together.

Seeing the past through rose colored lenses or as totally bad is not reality. It's relative to individuals how these things were experienced.

Oh, well, I'll stop rambling. As I've said before, my take on these events don't match that of some others. My mind is by no means made up on this, and I don't feel I have the right to tell people in other nations how to live.