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AtheistCrusader

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28. That there was no stand down order? Yes I know that. Why don't you?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:57 PM
Apr 2014

No Stand-Down Order

Claim: No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. "On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.," says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. "They failed to do their job." "There is only one explanation for this," writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. "Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11."

FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked—the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

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Happened Sunday afternoon. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #1
I've always wondered if sending fighter jets after Cessnas wasn't overkill bigworld Apr 2014 #2
Might not just be speed as consideration, might also be altitude. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #6
Get to da choppa!!!! DeSwiss Apr 2014 #7
Something like this would be more appropriate. IronGate Apr 2014 #8
kerrrrsssspplluttttzzzitsss pangaia Apr 2014 #37
It's the closing time. Xithras Apr 2014 #13
It also makes the intercept more... dynamic. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #14
Ah, that makes sense. bigworld Apr 2014 #18
What about one of these? ashling Apr 2014 #34
An F16 buzzing 10 feet over the Cessna would get his attention JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2014 #45
Well I always wonder why they sent NO fighter jets up during 911????? TheNutcracker Apr 2014 #52
I do hope they thoroughly investigate that pilot. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #3
I'm sure they will ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2014 #44
yea sure a cessna but let a jumbo jet turn off it's transponder turn around and head for n.y.c. leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #4
... and fly in circles for 45 minutes, including over nuclear power plants, no problem. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #9
That's WHY there is an overwhelming response now, and you know it. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #12
+1...I remember that... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #15
well im sure you know this leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #17
Wish ya'll would get off that nag and ride a real horse for a change. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #19
i guess no comment on what YOU should have known- leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #23
That there was no stand down order? Yes I know that. Why don't you? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #28
But thermite paint.... penultimate Apr 2014 #39
That's a load of crap. Payne Stewart's rogue lear jet was prior to 9/11. A jet was scrambled ASAP ... GoneFishin Apr 2014 #21
An aircraft that flew on autopilot without deviating from it's course for hours. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #29
You might want to check your propaganda ... at the door. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #41
Yeah, lets ignore that you completely botched the Payne issue. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #43
So they weren't contacted by the FAA to intercept the flight? Which orifice did you pull that from? GoneFishin Apr 2014 #48
They were asked to check it out. But they were already in the air, and could do dick all about it. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #49
"a pair of F-16 Falcons ... about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact." GoneFishin Apr 2014 #53
Your source is stupid. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #54
What? Revisionist history after 9/11. SHOCKED I tell you, SHOCKED! GoneFishin Apr 2014 #55
Yeah, stick your fingers in your ears. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #56
You think perhaps that things are done differently since 9/11? Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #20
it is something they did 129 times in the year of 911 just not when some very large jets leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #22
Fighters were scrambled on 9/11. nt hack89 Apr 2014 #31
guess you are technically correct but there are at least 2 aspects to scrambling jets in response leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #35
Let me correct some errors and misconceptions in your post. hack89 Apr 2014 #46
thanks for the info leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #47
The rules were different on 9-11, cause it was AN INSIDE JOB!!!!! olddad56 Apr 2014 #38
Ding, ding, ding, ding. +1. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #42
Chuck Norris sez this thread is bound for the Gungeon Orrex Apr 2014 #24
Hidden gusset--that's what makes these pants so deadly. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #27
Wrong trash compactor. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #32
Whoops! Rookie mistake! Orrex Apr 2014 #33
They get there quick..... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #5
My understanding from talking to pilots is that this is an easy mistake to make. yellowcanine Apr 2014 #10
For VERY green, amateur weekend flyers, maybe... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #11
I don't see what the pilot's color has to do with it. Orrex Apr 2014 #25
That's embarrassing JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #16
GPS is NOT in nearly every aircraft groundloop Apr 2014 #30
What planet was this guy from? liberal N proud Apr 2014 #26
Didn't want a repeat of 94 I guess One_Life_To_Give Apr 2014 #36
That was my first thought, too. nt freshwest Apr 2014 #50
Not knowing is not an excuse. And if it is, then he/she should lose their license ffr Apr 2014 #40
Yeah!!!! ret5hd Apr 2014 #51
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