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karynnj

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21. I agree that - if this is correct - Tymoshenko really signed a bad deal
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:12 AM
Apr 2014

- given the claims that this was part of why she faced corruption charges. (ie it is clear this is a bonanza for Gazpron - did she get any klickback?)

The point though is that as Russia is altering (unilaterally the contract), it is fair to ask that it be renegotiated going forward -- and that they get neither a special subsidy or a special tariff - just the market price - 385 - as the WH advises. ( Ukraine may have a bit of leverage (less than Russia of course ) because the pipeline runs through Ukraine and there is no reason (if it can be delivered ) that they cannot purchase gas sent to Europe at 385 - with far less than 100 added.)

One caveat - every explanation of this has been different. As a former statistician, I usually have no problem understanding cash flows. Here, not everything written can be true at the same time. The above reflects many assumptions of what to believe. )

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You see, Russia should just give gas away, out of the goodness of their hearts Demeter Apr 2014 #1
Good ole IMF austerity is coming, too Boreal Apr 2014 #4
Russia had been leveraging Ukraine on gas for years. joshcryer Apr 2014 #9
was cheaper for Ukraine to reimport gas from EU ? dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #11
"Ukraine will have the last laugh when the US exports fracking technology to them"? Nihil Apr 2014 #12
The U.S. just can't help itself. former9thward Apr 2014 #2
it's so much more fun to scold others than fix your own house n/t Psephos Apr 2014 #17
yeah ok.... Burf-_- Apr 2014 #3
Obama decides this?....nt quadrature Apr 2014 #5
MYOB 840high Apr 2014 #6
White House Spokesman’s Advice: Don’t Invest in Russian Stocks jakeXT Apr 2014 #7
That "debt" was made up nonsense. joshcryer Apr 2014 #8
Meanwhile, gasoline has doubled in the US since 2007 seveneyes Apr 2014 #10
Our electric rates shot up over 60% in the last couple of months in NY.... adirondacker Apr 2014 #16
on the same day as it announced "economic sanctions" against Russia Doctor_J Apr 2014 #13
coercively - Kinda like the economic sanctions we levied. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #14
I'm sure we'll find the money for the Ukranians....... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #15
Only we get to impose austerity on other countries out of pique of for revenge. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #18
In your comment at the bottom, you say that the additional "balance" of $100 was paid by Russia and karynnj Apr 2014 #19
It was paid by Russia inasmuch it was by removal of duty payments from Gazprom dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #20
I agree that - if this is correct - Tymoshenko really signed a bad deal karynnj Apr 2014 #21
The history of this subject is extremely complicated. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #22
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