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11. Why do Russians have a duty to protect ethnic Russians attempting to secede from Ukraine
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:05 PM
Apr 2014

and join Russia? Wouldn't that be like France having a duty to protect Quebec separatist if a group of them took over government buildings? What if a group like MEChA took control of government buildings in Southern CA or Texas and demanded to join Mexico, will that mean the Mexican military has the duty to protect Mexican citizens? Let's say parts of Venezuela broke off, took control of government buildings and then asked for the US to send troops in to protect them, would that be okay?

I don't want war with Russia and I'm sure Russia will get what it wants, but that doesn't make it justifiable. And again, there is little evidence to suggest that the entire thing was orchestrated by the CIA. The closest thing to proof is the Nuland recordings, but that conversation only proves that the US government saw there was a revolution of sorts taking place, and they wanted to guide it in ways that would be favorable for the US and allies. If you're going to criticize the US/EU for that, then you'd also have to criticize the Russians for playing the same games. Diplomatic activities like that seem to be how the world works though. The difference here is that neither the US or EU annexed any territory, nor did they send troops to occupy any lands. Russia is breaking apart a nation and making their own. I would not find this acceptable if the US/UK/France/Liechtenstein did anything similar, so why should Russia get a break? Just because it goes against US/EU interests?

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They just had an interesting lesson on force cprise Apr 2014 #1
Just so everyone here remembers the rules . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #2
Yes dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #3
Oh, they will adopt a different standard for jamzrockz Apr 2014 #4
On the money.... go west young man Apr 2014 #6
Anyone with half a political brain... nyabingi Apr 2014 #5
Has any proof of Greystone's presence been provided? penultimate Apr 2014 #7
I would say these are more legitimate... nyabingi Apr 2014 #21
My opinion isn't formulated based on what Obama, McCain or Clinton say penultimate Apr 2014 #39
I disagree nyabingi Apr 2014 #41
So Is The Disarming Of The Separatists In Donets, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #42
My point is that the US/EU axis is... nyabingi Apr 2014 #46
And That is Nonesense, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #47
This is not nonsense nyabingi Apr 2014 #48
Indeed, Sir: I Can Tell White From Black The Magistrate Apr 2014 #49
When I expressed the above cosmicone Apr 2014 #8
The 'Wants War With Russia' Claim, Sir, Is Too Shabby And False Even To Call Bullshit The Magistrate Apr 2014 #10
Your point fails in that... go west young man Apr 2014 #13
You Offer Only Unsupported Assertion, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #23
As far as your needed proof goes...obviously you haven't been keeping up. go west young man Apr 2014 #24
Again, Sir, The Thing Does Not Come Close To Proving Anything The Magistrate Apr 2014 #34
I love your use of "the thing".... go west young man Apr 2014 #35
You Have Neither Knowledge Nor Evidence, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #36
"we were the ones who fomented the coup d'etat in Ukraine" Bull Shit EX500rider Apr 2014 #30
See the video directly above your post. go west young man Apr 2014 #33
I have and that is ZERO proof of us orchestrating a coup.. EX500rider Apr 2014 #38
Why do Russians have a duty to protect ethnic Russians attempting to secede from Ukraine penultimate Apr 2014 #11
Contiguous borders cosmicone Apr 2014 #12
Ahh, but the action in Granada is generally viewed in a negative light penultimate Apr 2014 #19
And did we keep part or all of Granada? n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #31
Does the fact that Crimeans... nyabingi Apr 2014 #22
They will do so too . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #15
It's also bad to make presumptive statements which you can't back up with real facts. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #9
Yeah, that's almost as bad as making unwarrented, generalized accusations with intent to slander. another_liberal Apr 2014 #14
"...when an "interim" Ukrainian government (which is a coup-installed puppet of the West)...." Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #18
My opinions and appreciations . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #29
protesters vs. mobs jakeXT Apr 2014 #16
If a semantic flip does it for you . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #17
I think of it as more of a flop. Igel Apr 2014 #25
Quoting your, "spidey sense" . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #28
One person's protesters are another person's mob cosmicone Apr 2014 #20
say what? lanlady Apr 2014 #26
Exactly this!!! +1000 EX500rider Apr 2014 #32
Uh, he murdered unarmed protesters. joshcryer Apr 2014 #37
This could trigger a military confrontation between Russia & US Semivir Apr 2014 #27
'activists' joshcryer Apr 2014 #40
Yeah, all pretense of who the "activists" and "protesters" really are has since melted away. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #44
Maybe the activists should try burning tires and throwing fireworks in the town center seveneyes Apr 2014 #43
No, they're more of the kidnapping journalists and killing politician types. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #45
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