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In reply to the discussion: Top NATO Commander: U.S. Troops May Be Sent To Eastern Europe [View all]go west young man
(4,856 posts)32. Gung ho for war or not....you won't be going.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/03/05/7-reasons-why-america-will-never-go-to-war-over-ukraine/
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Russia is a nuclear superpower. Russia has an estimated 4,500 active nuclear warheads, according to the Federation of American Scientists. Unlike North Korea or perhaps Iran, whose nuclear arsenals couldnt inflict substantial damage, Russia could totally devastate the U.S. as well as the rest of the planet. U.S. missile defenses, assuming they even work, are not designed to stop a massive Russian strike.
Russia has a powerful army. While the Russian military is a shadow of its Soviet glory days, it is still a formidable force. The Russian army has about 300,000 men and 2,500 tanks (with another 18,000 tanks in storage), according to the Military Balance 2014″ from the International Institute for Strategic Studies. Its air force has almost 1,400 aircraft, and its navy 171 ships, including 25 in the Black Sea Fleet off Ukraines coast.
U.S. forces are more capable than Russian forces, which did not perform impressively during the 2008 Russo-Georgia War. American troops would enjoy better training, communications, drones, sensors and possibly better weapons (though the latest Russian fighter jets, such as the T-50, could be trouble for U.S. pilots). However, better is not good enough. The Russian military is not composed of lightly armed insurgents like the Taliban, or a hapless army like the Iraqis in 2003. With advanced weapons like T-80 tanks, supersonic AT-15 Springer anti-tank missiles, BM-30 Smerch multiple rocket launchers and S-400 Growler anti-aircraft missiles, Russian forces pack enough firepower to inflict significant American losses.
Excerpt:
Russia is a nuclear superpower. Russia has an estimated 4,500 active nuclear warheads, according to the Federation of American Scientists. Unlike North Korea or perhaps Iran, whose nuclear arsenals couldnt inflict substantial damage, Russia could totally devastate the U.S. as well as the rest of the planet. U.S. missile defenses, assuming they even work, are not designed to stop a massive Russian strike.
Russia has a powerful army. While the Russian military is a shadow of its Soviet glory days, it is still a formidable force. The Russian army has about 300,000 men and 2,500 tanks (with another 18,000 tanks in storage), according to the Military Balance 2014″ from the International Institute for Strategic Studies. Its air force has almost 1,400 aircraft, and its navy 171 ships, including 25 in the Black Sea Fleet off Ukraines coast.
U.S. forces are more capable than Russian forces, which did not perform impressively during the 2008 Russo-Georgia War. American troops would enjoy better training, communications, drones, sensors and possibly better weapons (though the latest Russian fighter jets, such as the T-50, could be trouble for U.S. pilots). However, better is not good enough. The Russian military is not composed of lightly armed insurgents like the Taliban, or a hapless army like the Iraqis in 2003. With advanced weapons like T-80 tanks, supersonic AT-15 Springer anti-tank missiles, BM-30 Smerch multiple rocket launchers and S-400 Growler anti-aircraft missiles, Russian forces pack enough firepower to inflict significant American losses.
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The Less Americans Know About Ukraine’s Location, The More They Want U.S. To Intervene
Purveyor
Apr 2014
#3
The results are better then I would expect, most people hit around the area of the Ukraine.
happyslug
Apr 2014
#30
There going to kill you either by a war or die because you can't afford medical care .
geretogo
Apr 2014
#10
The article doesn't make it clear we're only going into NATO countries. That would exclude Ukraine
okaawhatever
Apr 2014
#4
The Budapest Memorandum isnt binding. Supporting NATO allies still wont put u in Ukraine.
7962
Apr 2014
#23
The 1994 Budapest Memorandom???? All it says the US will ask the UN Security Council.
happyslug
Apr 2014
#34
To NATO countries. I doubt Putin would dare try shit, but if he does...
TwilightGardener
Apr 2014
#8
& how long can Putin go without some war or gaybashing law or whatever wag the dog
uhnope
Apr 2014
#11
"We were the first to use Nuclear Weapons to insure our Corporations won" ?!?!
EX500rider
Apr 2014
#15
Indeed, Sir, Given Their Own Situation And Ambitions, They Can Hardly Commit Either Way
The Magistrate
Apr 2014
#44
Lots of countries with separatist movements these days. It's always an awkward subject.
bemildred
Apr 2014
#45
Interesting item to note from the primary article, "Foreign ministers of the 28-nation alliance have
24601
Apr 2014
#27