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happyslug

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34. The 1994 Budapest Memorandom???? All it says the US will ask the UN Security Council.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:12 PM
Apr 2014

If the UN Security Council does nothing (remember Russia, China, Britain, France AND the US all have veto power in the Security Council), the US and Russia have fulfilled their obligations under that Memorandum.

In simple terms, the Memorandum means NOTHING. It is worse then the actual obligations under the NATO treaty of 1949 (The NATO treaty only requires its members to do "such action as it deems necessary" if another member of NATO is attacked, i.e. if the US decided a Russian Attack on Poland was a violation of the NATO treaty, the US can do what "it deems necessary" which can include writing Putin a nasty letter but otherwise leave the Russians take what they want.


The official text of the 1949 NATO treaty:

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

Official Text of the Budapest Memorandum:


"Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the cold war, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces,

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine;

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or

political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind;

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear

weapons are used;

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclearweapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons,

except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State;

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.

Signed in four copies having equal validity in the Ukrainian, English and Russian languages.

For Ukraine:

(Signed) Leonid D. KUCHMA

For the Russian Federation:

(Signed) Boris N. YELTSIN

For the United Kingdom of Great

Britain and Northern Ireland:

(Signed) John MAJOR

For the United States of America:

(Signed) William J. CLINTON

http://www.cfr.org/arms-control-disarmament-and-nonproliferation/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484

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Now the MIC wants American troops to die in Eastern Europe. former9thward Apr 2014 #1
The Less Americans Know About Ukraine’s Location, The More They Want U.S. To Intervene Purveyor Apr 2014 #3
Thats about the shittiest interactive map I've ever seen 7962 Apr 2014 #6
The results are better then I would expect, most people hit around the area of the Ukraine. happyslug Apr 2014 #30
There going to kill you either by a war or die because you can't afford medical care . geretogo Apr 2014 #10
MOB 840high Apr 2014 #2
The article doesn't make it clear we're only going into NATO countries. That would exclude Ukraine okaawhatever Apr 2014 #4
Good... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #5
Ukraine isnt a member of NATO, so you wouldnt be going there. nt 7962 Apr 2014 #7
Budapest Memerandom or... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #20
The Budapest Memorandum isnt binding. Supporting NATO allies still wont put u in Ukraine. 7962 Apr 2014 #23
At what point? hoosierlib Apr 2014 #25
At what point is the Ukrainian military going to move to their borders? 7962 Apr 2014 #31
I saw something the other day that said that Ukraine was mobilizing and amandabeech Apr 2014 #40
Which is what ran Russia out of Afghanistan. I guess thats an option. 7962 Apr 2014 #42
Some of the folks on the Maidan were Afghan war vets. amandabeech Apr 2014 #52
The 1994 Budapest Memorandom???? All it says the US will ask the UN Security Council. happyslug Apr 2014 #34
And this case... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #39
What military Deterrent???? happyslug Apr 2014 #51
The one in Germany... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #56
What division is in Germany? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #58
Let me help you grapple with reality AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #59
Why do you need NATO? Boreal Apr 2014 #53
really? PaulKersey Apr 2014 #16
Yes... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #19
Gung ho for war or not....you won't be going. go west young man Apr 2014 #32
To NATO countries. I doubt Putin would dare try shit, but if he does... TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #8
What's on...You itching for another WAR? KoKo Apr 2014 #22
I'm not. Putin might be, though. What I'm stating is fact. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #35
Those Russian speakers in east Ukraine Boreal Apr 2014 #55
You do realize AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #57
Substantially weaker than with them, but still quite formidable. WatermelonRat Apr 2014 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author geretogo Apr 2014 #9
& how long can Putin go without some war or gaybashing law or whatever wag the dog uhnope Apr 2014 #11
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"We were the first to use Nuclear Weapons to insure our Corporations won" ?!?! EX500rider Apr 2014 #15
^^^^^^This! 7962 Apr 2014 #24
Someone Actually Posted That, Sir? The Magistrate Apr 2014 #41
Yeah since deleted but wow what a crock. n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #60
So the Baltics and perhaps Moldova. Igel Apr 2014 #12
insanity PaulKersey Apr 2014 #17
Tried that in 1939... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #21
The Military Industrial Complex just screamed, "Bingo!" another_liberal Apr 2014 #18
The NATO countries are ignoring nyabingi Apr 2014 #26
China seems conflicted about the issue, as a lot of people are: bemildred Apr 2014 #43
Indeed, Sir, Given Their Own Situation And Ambitions, They Can Hardly Commit Either Way The Magistrate Apr 2014 #44
Lots of countries with separatist movements these days. It's always an awkward subject. bemildred Apr 2014 #45
And They Covet A Few Bits Beyond Their Borders Themselves, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #46
Well, at least in that piece they seem to see the problem. bemildred Apr 2014 #47
It Is An Excellent Piece, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #48
I thought so too, Sir. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #49
Interesting item to note from the primary article, "Foreign ministers of the 28-nation alliance have 24601 Apr 2014 #27
Like. 840high Apr 2014 #29
Breedlove is right out of Dr. Strangelove.... go west young man Apr 2014 #33
I couldn't disagree more. He's doing what he has been tasked to do by the NATO political 24601 Apr 2014 #36
Gotta do what we gotta do CFLDem Apr 2014 #28
And away we go. nt Javaman Apr 2014 #37
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Apr 2014 #38
Exactly what troops are they going to send? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #50
Europeans haven't been too keen Boreal Apr 2014 #54
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