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69. It doesn't

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:16 PM

Apr 2014

but it helps Canada and multinationals and multinationals is what it's all about. This has everything to do with the SPP/North American Union/north American integration which has been in the works for decades. Don't like it? Tough shit because you and I don't matter.

Having said that, we are a world that runs on energy and we don't have viable alternatives to fossil fuels, except for nuclear which I hope we can get rid of. Worse yet is that nuclear is often sold as "green" by the AGW camp and nothing could be further from the truth unless we want to count glowing green like Fukushima.

The biggest danger with the pipeline is that tar sands are very abrasive and contain nasty chemicals. The usual pipeline specs are not good enough and that needs attention more than anything because those tar sands WILL be moved.

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Eleven Democrats Push Obama to Approve Keystone [View all] Freddie Stubbs Apr 2014 OP

Wonder how much money they've been paid. Nt newfie11 Apr 2014 #1

True ..the Koch Bros obviously have Democrats on their payroll too INdemo Apr 2014 #8

DEMS on the Koch payroll? Hmm... blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #16

Refering to the Republican lites INdemo Apr 2014 #73

No money yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #51

Why assume that when the more likely reason is the majority of their state support it karynnj Apr 2014 #75

With "Dems" like this, who needs Republicans? polichick Apr 2014 #2

Political leverage hoosierlib Apr 2014 #3

How exactly will it help the US economy? Bandit Apr 2014 #5

Per the State Department's report... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #18

We're going to run the risk of an inland Deepwater Horizon for 50 permanent jobs? Doctor_J Apr 2014 #22

That is the risk... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #24

by the way $3.4B is 2 hundredths of 1% of our GDP Doctor_J Apr 2014 #25

I'm in the right place... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #44

I imagine science will remain as such whether you "tow its line" or not... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #58

its a theory chief...not a law hoosierlib Apr 2014 #59

Methinks you are in the wrong place if you want to chase out people who disagree with you. former9thward Apr 2014 #57

Because its in the news and involves the evil tarsands... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #60

hoosier's post is a list of fox "news" talking points that fail the laugh test Doctor_J Apr 2014 #65

Yes est. 50 permanent jobs out of it but for some 1% lunasun Apr 2014 #80

50 full time jobs, and oil being exported overseas, with the profits going to Canada. arcane1 Apr 2014 #29

Build a refinery kokobell616 Apr 2014 #37

But then it still has to be Boreal Apr 2014 #68

Ha ha ... GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #55

tsar sands? hoosierlib Apr 2014 #62

Welcome to DU! n/t Orsino Apr 2014 #83

It's not necessary for the economy, not at all. DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #6

Don't forget about our refineries... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #19

All our refineries are opperating at or near maximum capacity, we have not built a new... DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #43

no they are not... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #45

I stand corrected. After you disagreed with my comment about refineries being near full capacity... DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #67

Thanks... hoosierlib May 2014 #85

Oil. gas, diesel etc all all commodities - their market price is set on international markets karynnj Apr 2014 #78

Speaking of Europe Boreal Apr 2014 #70

Please tazkcmo Apr 2014 #11

It is necessary for the economy NickB79 Apr 2014 #15

Something in return? Tarsands are a fucking ECOSYSTEM KILLER! NickB79 Apr 2014 #13

Sorry... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #20

That being said, I do want the pipeline heavily regulated and inspected and if there is a spill, djean111 Apr 2014 #28

So you're a global warming denier then NickB79 Apr 2014 #33

Nope... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #46

And once again, your statements show your true colors NickB79 Apr 2014 #49

Destroyed how? hoosierlib Apr 2014 #64

Nope... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #47

Basic science = Kool-Aid in your world? NickB79 Apr 2014 #50

My guess you have very little background in science... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #63

A climate change denier Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #53

Not denying climate change hoosierlib Apr 2014 #61

You're not a skeptic, you're a denier Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #71

it's a shit sandwich for anyone who lives in our environment. how is it going to help yurbud Apr 2014 #17

Read the State Department's or Cornell's report... hoosierlib Apr 2014 #21

It's a shit sandwich for the United States, and not necessary for the economy..... djean111 Apr 2014 #27

It is not "necessary for the economy" karynnj Apr 2014 #77

Kay Hagan is safe for voting Dems in NC for Women and Minority Issues....but... KoKo Apr 2014 #4

We should tell folks in NC to stay home? JoePhilly Apr 2014 #7

And just give the GOP the Senate? hoosierlib Apr 2014 #23

This is not a party issue, THIS IS A HUMAN BEING ISSUE .... MindMover Apr 2014 #9

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ahhh the dinos who love oil drilling. Warner and Landrieu and Alaska's guy...no surprise here TheNutcracker Apr 2014 #12

I'm going to write Warner since I'm a constituent; hopefully others will do the same, FWIW. nt JudyM May 2014 #86

So when the Obama Administration approves Keystone...... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #14

Or he could be following the will of the American people? You know, the ones who elected him? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #30

Eighty-five percent say the pipeline would create a significant number of jobs, with 62 percent djean111 Apr 2014 #31

It is what it is. The anti pipeline people will have to scream that much louder. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #32

I have always felt that Obama will okay Keystone. djean111 Apr 2014 #34

He's already "re-elected". And the "will of the people" is clear in that poll. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #52

I believe that "will of the people" has been determined by lies. djean111 Apr 2014 #54

I get it. You're the "22%". No matter what conspiracy you've created in your mind, what other..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #56

It's easy to get 65% of the public to support it, if they get lied to from both parties about it. arcane1 Apr 2014 #35

Yup. That's exactly what happened and is happening and will happen. djean111 Apr 2014 #36

Indeed. I watched his 2008 convention acceptance speech recently arcane1 Apr 2014 #38

To be clear - I don't really watch ANYONE give speeches any more. djean111 Apr 2014 #40

Wise. arcane1 Apr 2014 #41

...he will have had plenty of cover. Orsino Apr 2014 #82

"Many of them come from fossil-fuel rich states" What difference does that make? arcane1 Apr 2014 #26

I'm not sure how that helps OUR economy rehabanderson Apr 2014 #39

It depends on whether or not all the cleaning-up-after-spills work is outsourced. n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #48

It doesn't Boreal Apr 2014 #69

The problem for these Dems is that voters in their states are overwhelming for the pipeline. DCBob Apr 2014 #42

true, they are obviously hate radio-saturated (brain dead). But 65% wanting SP HC didn't help Doctor_J Apr 2014 #66

They shouldn't worry. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #72

But he'll wait untl after the elections . . . hatrack Apr 2014 #74

Or it could be he waits until after the election to reject it karynnj Apr 2014 #79

Mark Udall and Bennett are making a principled statement NOT joining this karynnj Apr 2014 #76

Those Dems saying how the USA will benefit from this pipeline newfie11 Apr 2014 #81

Health of the people and the planet Faux pas Apr 2014 #84

of course I'm not in favor of the pipeline, but moving the oil by rail is scary to me also. olddad56 May 2014 #87

The Party needs an enema, and these folks would be a good start. 1000words May 2014 #88