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Half-Century Man

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32. We do not need another Ruby Ridge or Waco.

Mon Apr 14, 2014, 01:04 AM

Apr 2014

The old saying that "violence never solves anything" is not right. Violence always changes the situation, but the long term consequences are nearly impossible to predict. The world's image of the USA as the leading war monger is due to our over use of violence.
How many times have we, the DU, aired grievances over police brutality? Law enforcement over reacting to the situation? Our insanely militarized police are a common thread.

OTOH, it was nice of the nut cases to gather so they could be filmed by predator drones. And the communication traffic linked to the photos of those license plates now have a real reason for subpoenas for the NSA wire tapping data base. How many will get stopped somewhere on their way home and get their cars tossed for weapons? How did the money flow? Will a freedom of information act request let some intrepid reporter see?

Think, wait, plan, then act. This is far from over.

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Nevada ranching family claims victory as government releases cattle [View all] MindMover Apr 2014 OP

The statement the BLM released... PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author el scorcho Apr 2014 #3

Thank you for that, PA.. exactly. Cha Apr 2014 #91

I think Bundy and his allies are in for a rude awakening . . . Brigid Apr 2014 #2

Yes, I certainly hope so. cheapdate Apr 2014 #29

How hard would it be for the BLM to get a hold of a couple of drones? snooper2 Apr 2014 #53

I don't have any idea how difficult it would be for the BLM cheapdate Apr 2014 #77

Yes AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #112

And a roaring cheer goes tearing throughout Teabagistan blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #4

The Tea Baggers thought the same thing,,, Cryptoad Apr 2014 #40

It seems you are rooting for another Waco. former9thward Apr 2014 #45

Im not rootin Cryptoad Apr 2014 #49

Waco had nothing to do with the Tea Party or any other political group. former9thward Apr 2014 #50

What is your problem,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2014 #69

Wow AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #111

Delusional el scorcho Apr 2014 #5

+1 SunSeeker Apr 2014 #18

Nope. But they can freeze his bank accounts if his money's not overseas already. The RWNJs aren't freshwest Apr 2014 #34

Unfortunately, Bundy and his allies will lose in the end jmowreader Apr 2014 #6

Unfortunately ? Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #7

Unfortunately for them jmowreader Apr 2014 #20

I doubt Bundy has been claiming the free use of the land as income JimDandy Apr 2014 #66

Liens, bank account freezes, foreclosure and contempt of court........ Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2014 #8

Did I read somewhere that Bundy does business "off the grid" ? 2banon Apr 2014 #9

Silly me thinking he'd do anything conventional........ Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2014 #17

The voice of the Authoritarians speaks ... former9thward Apr 2014 #46

The KOCH brothers are deeply involved: freshwest Apr 2014 #35

Yes. incredible as this seems, this goes to the origins of "Corporate Personhood" argued by Big Rail 2banon Apr 2014 #81

But why weren't any of those things done sooner? rocktivity Apr 2014 #15

I've wondered the same thing. Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2014 #19

Koch Brothers cattle graze of federal land. McCamy Taylor Apr 2014 #10

The want all national park land sold off, so they can frack, mine and pollute in private without the freshwest Apr 2014 #87

We WON!!!!! Politicalboi Apr 2014 #11

Like I said earlier cosmicone Apr 2014 #12

Helicopter gunships and tanks to mow them down? Cheerful Charlie Apr 2014 #22

Oh please. Quit trying so hard. CreekDog Apr 2014 #23

How many people are out there who would really do this? treestar Apr 2014 #24

Just like your friend Vladimir would do, right? 7962 Apr 2014 #26

You're making friends for me? Goody! n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #36

You are deranged leftynyc Apr 2014 #39

No. I think that cosmicone Apr 2014 #41

You're a clown leftynyc Apr 2014 #48

wow .. your maturity is astounding cosmicone Apr 2014 #61

+1 NealK Apr 2014 #94

Grab your gun and show them how to do it. former9thward Apr 2014 #47

Naw cosmicone Apr 2014 #63

Mowed them down? These are human beings!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G Apr 2014 #60

It is a euphemism cosmicone Apr 2014 #62

That's among the nuttiest things I've ever read on DU. Xithras Apr 2014 #64

They are obstructing justice cosmicone Apr 2014 #67

You seem to be confused here.... Xithras Apr 2014 #70

Thank you for calling me a teabagger cosmicone Apr 2014 #75

No, I merely pointed out that one of your beliefs is shared by the 'baggers. Xithras Apr 2014 #76

Aiding and abetting a criminal (alleged or real) is not a protest cosmicone Apr 2014 #80

Your argument falls flat for one simple reason. Xithras Apr 2014 #82

Obstruction of Justice n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #83

Standard charge in civil disobedience cases. Xithras Apr 2014 #85

ok ok - you win cosmicone Apr 2014 #86

Like Federal Agents have their hands clean. christx30 Apr 2014 #95

I'm amused when the Gunliban on DU cosmicone Apr 2014 #98

And I'm amused to see christx30 Apr 2014 #100

I suggest Dramamine or Phenergan ... n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #109

I'd just prefer to stop seeing christx30 Apr 2014 #110

well... Socal31 Apr 2014 #116

A well-reasoned post - astonishing that it needs to be made here. n/t Psephos Apr 2014 #68

God, that's just fucking stupid. Codeine Apr 2014 #72

Make sure to polish your jackboots AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #113

Wow...what an asshole. SoapBox Apr 2014 #13

Apparently he is. StarryNite Apr 2014 #31

What's the rush, it's only been a couple of decades so far. Lasher Apr 2014 #14

So, can Occupy use these tactics and get the same kid-glove treatment? gratuitous Apr 2014 #16

So why is the government afraid of the right but not the left? Cheerful Charlie Apr 2014 #21

They did not want anyone getting killed. Marrah_G Apr 2014 #27

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #56

Are you saying that a bloodbath would have been aceptable to prove a point? Marrah_G Apr 2014 #58

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #59

He's saying tazkcmo Apr 2014 #78

Separate Constitution for conservatives 1Greensix Apr 2014 #25

Bundy has been defrauding the tax-payers for years PumpkinAle Apr 2014 #28

not sure why the rancher thinks he 'won' he will never get to use that public land again. Sunlei Apr 2014 #30

They're already using the public land again. StarryNite Apr 2014 #38

I don't understand the logic Harcourdt Fenton Mud Apr 2014 #44

I think you hit upon a good point there. Inkfreak Apr 2014 #51

Great point! StarryNite Apr 2014 #65

Something like this? KansDem Apr 2014 #99

LOL! StarryNite Apr 2014 #115

Or pledging allegiance to the 2nd Amendment, while denying the government exists. Paladin Apr 2014 #71

To me it's similar to christx30 Apr 2014 #73

It's not treason to hate it StarryNite Apr 2014 #74

Until violence is committed AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #114

We do not need another Ruby Ridge or Waco. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #32

EXACTLY ... nt MindMover Apr 2014 #33

Violence rarely solves anything, but it is JoeyT Apr 2014 #37

Ya damn right. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #43

The Gov't did absolutely the right thing here. I'm proud of them. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #42

Eventually we will see gunfire hollowdweller Apr 2014 #52

I can understand not wanting violence, but why release the cattle already gathered? Jim Lane Apr 2014 #54

Because when you surrender unconditionally, you meet all the demands, not just the ones you like. JoeyT Apr 2014 #57

released the cattle because that shuts the door for any future legal case against the Gov. Sunlei Apr 2014 #96

I don't think that's accurate. Jim Lane Apr 2014 #102

There was no 'illegal seizure' everything the BLM did was legal. Sunlei Apr 2014 #103

I think you misunderstood my post. Jim Lane Apr 2014 #104

I think the BLM was to harsh, imo they usually are, especially at the 'round-up' locations. Sunlei Apr 2014 #106

good article... handmade34 Apr 2014 #55

So this squatter gets to continue to use public land for his profit liberal N proud Apr 2014 #79

Not when the Gov. leases that 'square' of public land to some other 'Corp'. Sunlei Apr 2014 #97

Yeah just lease it to a corporation hollowdweller Apr 2014 #107

Why does this freeloading piece of shit get to rip off the federal government and all us taxpayers? The Stranger Apr 2014 #84

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #88

lol pothos Apr 2014 #89

because the locals let him TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #92

This was a smart move, all options considered fujiyama Apr 2014 #90

Bundy? NealK Apr 2014 #93

Like I said yesterday, riqster Apr 2014 #101

People are so happy a non-standoff was averted but it set the stage for what is Jake Stern Apr 2014 #105

The Media Printed pictures hollowdweller Apr 2014 #108