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freshwest

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35. The KOCH brothers are deeply involved:
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 01:37 AM
Apr 2014
The Nevada Standoff Has Nothing To Do With "Tyranny," "Sovereignty," "Freedom," or Cows.

It's about money for two Billionaires with whom we're all familiar.

Two affiliates of the Koch-funded Americans for Prosperity are helping conservative media promote the cause of a Nevada rancher who has made violent threats against the federal government.

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Legal scholars have largely concluded that these laws are unconstitutional. But with a fanatical, Federalist-society indoctrinated Supreme Court Majority bending over backwards to accommodate corporate interests in every conceivable manner, the Constitution has proved to be a flimsy protection against virulent greed. By milking and stoking the controversy, the Kochs seek to galvanize public opinion against the federal government, delegitimize the Bureau of Land Management that oversees public lands, and thereby impugn its stewardship of lands that Koch-run industries want to get their hands on. These include lands in Nevada, Utah and pretty much anywhere else they can dig, frack or mine. This isn't about some silly rancher's "grazing fees," to the Kochs and their business pals. It's about their desire to exploit, despoil and pollute lands that we, the public, own by virtue of our citizenship. That's not "freedom." It's greed.

In fact, it's almost tragic to see how the "militia groups" that pride themselves on their purported "independence" and "freedom" so willingly allow themselves to be duped by people whose only interest is to exploit the land for their own purposes. Whose self-serving greed wouldn't hesitate to gin up an armed confrontation in which people could conceivably die, simply for the purpose of lining their own pockets.

Did I sound like I feel sorry for the militia groups? I don't. If they were truly patriots I might feel sorry for them, but they aren't. Because true patriots would realize that the federal lands the Kochs, the oil, mining and energy industries are attempting to claim for themselves are:

Owned by every American – all 300-plus million of us. It is a peculiar property right we each have to this commons, as we acquire it simply by dint of citizenship, and what we own is spectacular. The marvel of the federal public-lands system is that it exists at all. During the 19th century and into the early 20th, much of the land was leased and sold off in a frenzy of corrupt dealings. Railroads, corporations, land speculators, mining interests, and livestock barons gorged on the public domain, helped along by the spectacularly pliable General Land Office, which from 1812 until its closure in 1946 privatized more than one billion acres, roughly half the landmass of the nation. The corruption was such that by 1885, The New York Times’ editorial page had denounced the “land pirates” whose “fraud and force” had excluded the citizen settler—the farmer, the homesteader, the cowboy—from “enormous areas of public domain” and “robb him of the heritage to which he was entitled.”



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/12/1291577/-The-Nevada-Standoff-Has-Nothing-To-Do-With-Tyranny-Sovereignty-Freedom-or-Cows

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"Feds Turn From Landlords To Warlords": Koch Groups Back Rancher Making Violent Threats Against Federal Gov't

In 1993, Bundy declined to pay government fees that are required in order to allow his cattle to graze on the public land. In 1998 a court order told Bundy to remove his cattle as part of an effort to protect an endangered desert tortoise in the area. He refused. In July 2013, a federal court order told Bundy to remove his cattle from the land or they would be confiscated. He disobeyed the order, and confiscation has begun. The government will auction the animals and use the proceeds to pay off the $1 million in fines that Bundy owes the government.

Bundy's ongoing refusal to obey the law and court orders has become a cause célèbre for the conservative media, which has compared the situation to deadly standoffs like Waco and Ruby Ridge.

In recent comments to a conspiracy theorist's radio show, Bundy said, "I haven't called no militia or anything like that, but hey it looks like that's where we're at." He added, "We got a strong army here, we have to fight." Previously Bundy told the Las Vegas Sun that "he keeps firearms at his ranch" and promised to "do whatever it takes" to defend his cattle being seized, adding, "I abide by almost zero federal laws."

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Americans for Prosperity (AFP), the conservative non-profit group, was founded by and has been largely funded by billionaires Charles and David Koch. The Center for Media and Democracy reported that in its previous incarnation as Citizens for a Sound Economy, AFP received $12 million of its $18 million in funding from the Koch Family Foundation.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/11/feds-turn-from-landlords-to-warlords-koch-group/198857

to Sunset Dreams:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024816638

Cliven Bundy is a Big Fat Million Dollar Welfare Dead Beat!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/13/1291642/-Cliven-Bundy-is-a-Big-Fat-Million-Dollar-Welfare-Dead-Beat

BERNIE SANDERS Uncovers 1980 Koch Agenda- "What Do the Koch Brothers Want?"

What else do the Koch brothers want?


In 1980, David Koch ran as the Libertarian Party’s vice-presidential candidate in 1980.
Let’s take a look at the 1980 Libertarian Party platform.

Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:

“We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”
“We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”
“We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”
“We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”
“We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”
“We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
“We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
“We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”
“As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”
“We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”
“We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”
“We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”
“We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”
“We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”
“We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”
“We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”
“We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”
“We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”
“We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”
“We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”
“We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”
“We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”
“We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”
“We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”
“We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”
“We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”

In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country...

Tomorrow it will be Social Security, ending Medicare as we know it, repealing the minimum wage. It seems to me that the Koch brothers will not be content until they get everything they believe they are entitled to.

Our great nation can no longer be hijacked by right-wing billionaires like the Koch brothers.

For the sake of our children and our grandchildren, for the sake of our economy, we have got to let democracy prevail.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a7980koch

to kpete:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298



They funded ALEC to keep the nation armed to the teeth, the Tea Party, Rand Paul, the Tenthers and the gun nuts. They don't even hide what they're doing anymore.

By spreading their message from the left and right, through the truthers as all of that agenda is promoted with fear and demonization on Infowars, etc, they have mobilized their base and demoralized ours by made up scandals and are telling us to give up on our nation and agree to the neo-feudalism their goals will create.

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The statement the BLM released... PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author el scorcho Apr 2014 #3
Thank you for that, PA.. exactly. Cha Apr 2014 #91
I think Bundy and his allies are in for a rude awakening . . . Brigid Apr 2014 #2
Yes, I certainly hope so. cheapdate Apr 2014 #29
How hard would it be for the BLM to get a hold of a couple of drones? snooper2 Apr 2014 #53
I don't have any idea how difficult it would be for the BLM cheapdate Apr 2014 #77
Yes AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #112
And a roaring cheer goes tearing throughout Teabagistan blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #4
The Tea Baggers thought the same thing,,, Cryptoad Apr 2014 #40
It seems you are rooting for another Waco. former9thward Apr 2014 #45
Im not rootin Cryptoad Apr 2014 #49
Waco had nothing to do with the Tea Party or any other political group. former9thward Apr 2014 #50
What is your problem,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2014 #69
Wow AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #111
Delusional el scorcho Apr 2014 #5
+1 SunSeeker Apr 2014 #18
Nope. But they can freeze his bank accounts if his money's not overseas already. The RWNJs aren't freshwest Apr 2014 #34
Unfortunately, Bundy and his allies will lose in the end jmowreader Apr 2014 #6
Unfortunately ? Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #7
Unfortunately for them jmowreader Apr 2014 #20
I doubt Bundy has been claiming the free use of the land as income JimDandy Apr 2014 #66
Liens, bank account freezes, foreclosure and contempt of court........ Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2014 #8
Did I read somewhere that Bundy does business "off the grid" ? 2banon Apr 2014 #9
Silly me thinking he'd do anything conventional........ Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2014 #17
The voice of the Authoritarians speaks ... former9thward Apr 2014 #46
The KOCH brothers are deeply involved: freshwest Apr 2014 #35
Yes. incredible as this seems, this goes to the origins of "Corporate Personhood" argued by Big Rail 2banon Apr 2014 #81
But why weren't any of those things done sooner? rocktivity Apr 2014 #15
I've wondered the same thing. Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2014 #19
Koch Brothers cattle graze of federal land. McCamy Taylor Apr 2014 #10
The want all national park land sold off, so they can frack, mine and pollute in private without the freshwest Apr 2014 #87
We WON!!!!! Politicalboi Apr 2014 #11
Like I said earlier cosmicone Apr 2014 #12
Helicopter gunships and tanks to mow them down? Cheerful Charlie Apr 2014 #22
Oh please. Quit trying so hard. CreekDog Apr 2014 #23
How many people are out there who would really do this? treestar Apr 2014 #24
Just like your friend Vladimir would do, right? 7962 Apr 2014 #26
You're making friends for me? Goody! n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #36
You are deranged leftynyc Apr 2014 #39
No. I think that cosmicone Apr 2014 #41
You're a clown leftynyc Apr 2014 #48
wow .. your maturity is astounding cosmicone Apr 2014 #61
+1 NealK Apr 2014 #94
Grab your gun and show them how to do it. former9thward Apr 2014 #47
Naw cosmicone Apr 2014 #63
Mowed them down? These are human beings!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G Apr 2014 #60
It is a euphemism cosmicone Apr 2014 #62
That's among the nuttiest things I've ever read on DU. Xithras Apr 2014 #64
They are obstructing justice cosmicone Apr 2014 #67
You seem to be confused here.... Xithras Apr 2014 #70
Thank you for calling me a teabagger cosmicone Apr 2014 #75
No, I merely pointed out that one of your beliefs is shared by the 'baggers. Xithras Apr 2014 #76
Aiding and abetting a criminal (alleged or real) is not a protest cosmicone Apr 2014 #80
Your argument falls flat for one simple reason. Xithras Apr 2014 #82
Obstruction of Justice n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #83
Standard charge in civil disobedience cases. Xithras Apr 2014 #85
ok ok - you win cosmicone Apr 2014 #86
Like Federal Agents have their hands clean. christx30 Apr 2014 #95
I'm amused when the Gunliban on DU cosmicone Apr 2014 #98
And I'm amused to see christx30 Apr 2014 #100
I suggest Dramamine or Phenergan ... n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #109
I'd just prefer to stop seeing christx30 Apr 2014 #110
well... Socal31 Apr 2014 #116
A well-reasoned post - astonishing that it needs to be made here. n/t Psephos Apr 2014 #68
God, that's just fucking stupid. Codeine Apr 2014 #72
Make sure to polish your jackboots AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #113
Wow...what an asshole. SoapBox Apr 2014 #13
Apparently he is. StarryNite Apr 2014 #31
What's the rush, it's only been a couple of decades so far. Lasher Apr 2014 #14
So, can Occupy use these tactics and get the same kid-glove treatment? gratuitous Apr 2014 #16
So why is the government afraid of the right but not the left? Cheerful Charlie Apr 2014 #21
They did not want anyone getting killed. Marrah_G Apr 2014 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #56
Are you saying that a bloodbath would have been aceptable to prove a point? Marrah_G Apr 2014 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #59
He's saying tazkcmo Apr 2014 #78
Separate Constitution for conservatives 1Greensix Apr 2014 #25
Bundy has been defrauding the tax-payers for years PumpkinAle Apr 2014 #28
not sure why the rancher thinks he 'won' he will never get to use that public land again. Sunlei Apr 2014 #30
They're already using the public land again. StarryNite Apr 2014 #38
I don't understand the logic Harcourdt Fenton Mud Apr 2014 #44
I think you hit upon a good point there. Inkfreak Apr 2014 #51
Great point! StarryNite Apr 2014 #65
Something like this? KansDem Apr 2014 #99
LOL! StarryNite Apr 2014 #115
Or pledging allegiance to the 2nd Amendment, while denying the government exists. Paladin Apr 2014 #71
To me it's similar to christx30 Apr 2014 #73
It's not treason to hate it StarryNite Apr 2014 #74
Until violence is committed AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #114
We do not need another Ruby Ridge or Waco. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #32
EXACTLY ... nt MindMover Apr 2014 #33
Violence rarely solves anything, but it is JoeyT Apr 2014 #37
Ya damn right. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #43
The Gov't did absolutely the right thing here. I'm proud of them. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #42
Eventually we will see gunfire hollowdweller Apr 2014 #52
I can understand not wanting violence, but why release the cattle already gathered? Jim Lane Apr 2014 #54
Because when you surrender unconditionally, you meet all the demands, not just the ones you like. JoeyT Apr 2014 #57
released the cattle because that shuts the door for any future legal case against the Gov. Sunlei Apr 2014 #96
I don't think that's accurate. Jim Lane Apr 2014 #102
There was no 'illegal seizure' everything the BLM did was legal. Sunlei Apr 2014 #103
I think you misunderstood my post. Jim Lane Apr 2014 #104
I think the BLM was to harsh, imo they usually are, especially at the 'round-up' locations. Sunlei Apr 2014 #106
good article... handmade34 Apr 2014 #55
So this squatter gets to continue to use public land for his profit liberal N proud Apr 2014 #79
Not when the Gov. leases that 'square' of public land to some other 'Corp'. Sunlei Apr 2014 #97
Yeah just lease it to a corporation hollowdweller Apr 2014 #107
Why does this freeloading piece of shit get to rip off the federal government and all us taxpayers? The Stranger Apr 2014 #84
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #88
lol pothos Apr 2014 #89
because the locals let him TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #92
This was a smart move, all options considered fujiyama Apr 2014 #90
Bundy? NealK Apr 2014 #93
Like I said yesterday, riqster Apr 2014 #101
People are so happy a non-standoff was averted but it set the stage for what is Jake Stern Apr 2014 #105
The Media Printed pictures hollowdweller Apr 2014 #108
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