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In reply to the discussion: Nevada ranching family claims victory as government releases cattle [View all]hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)52. Eventually we will see gunfire
Not here maybe, but somewhere.
The gov't may be smart enough not to provoke a Ruby Ridge or Waco.
However the nutty people we have now are not smart enough not to provoke another Oklahoma City or something similar.
The people on the right that were truly delusional during the Clinton administration were a smaller segment of the population than now.
Plus since Clinton the truly crazy people who were once the fringe of the republican party actually have representatives at all levels of government egging them on. At the time of Clinton the NRA and gun manufacturers were really not pushing the whole idea that you needed military style guns in order to fight off the government as a way to gain members and sell guns. Now it's actually part of the whole marketing of firearms that you are going to use them for some showdown with the gov't. Or black people.
If you look at Clinton the crazyness kept getting higher and higher and the delusional stuff kept getting deeper and deeper, till Oklahoma City. After that the GOP actually did a reset and realized how serious that some of the stuff they were saying was being taken by some of their followers.
However all those guys, the older republicans are mostly gone and the people replacing them are people who I think really believe that we need a new civil war and that our country should be ruled by little armed groups that basically impose their will on people by force.
When they finally manage to start what they want to truly provoke the gov't would be well served to do exactly what it did here, make sure the gov't does not get the blame for starting it.
However don't worry, it will start and them letting these people get away with it will spur copycats all over the place.
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Nevada ranching family claims victory as government releases cattle [View all]
MindMover
Apr 2014
OP
Nope. But they can freeze his bank accounts if his money's not overseas already. The RWNJs aren't
freshwest
Apr 2014
#34
Yes. incredible as this seems, this goes to the origins of "Corporate Personhood" argued by Big Rail
2banon
Apr 2014
#81
The want all national park land sold off, so they can frack, mine and pollute in private without the
freshwest
Apr 2014
#87
not sure why the rancher thinks he 'won' he will never get to use that public land again.
Sunlei
Apr 2014
#30
Or pledging allegiance to the 2nd Amendment, while denying the government exists.
Paladin
Apr 2014
#71
I can understand not wanting violence, but why release the cattle already gathered?
Jim Lane
Apr 2014
#54
Because when you surrender unconditionally, you meet all the demands, not just the ones you like.
JoeyT
Apr 2014
#57
released the cattle because that shuts the door for any future legal case against the Gov.
Sunlei
Apr 2014
#96
I think the BLM was to harsh, imo they usually are, especially at the 'round-up' locations.
Sunlei
Apr 2014
#106
Why does this freeloading piece of shit get to rip off the federal government and all us taxpayers?
The Stranger
Apr 2014
#84
People are so happy a non-standoff was averted but it set the stage for what is
Jake Stern
Apr 2014
#105