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6. Putin is not embarrassed, and we won't go to war over it.

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 10:59 AM

Apr 2014

Putin couldn't care less. He knows the world knows, and it makes no difference to him. He cares about what will appear in Russian history books, and that will be history as he wants it recorded.

He also knows we wouldn't start a shooting war over the Ukraine now any more than we did over the Ukraine becoming part of the Soviet Union almost a century ago--or any more than Russia attacked us when we made States out of Hawaii and Alaska.

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Russian paramilitary leaders in eastern Ukraine caught on tape communicating with Moscow [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 OP

Wow. Talk about a smoking gun. I'm glad the truth is coming out. nt okaawhatever Apr 2014 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #55

Did you claim the Victoria Neuland call was a fraud because it was leaked by Russia Today and okaawhatever Apr 2014 #61

Hopefully we can use this to embarass Putin CFLDem Apr 2014 #2

Putin is not embarrassed, and we won't go to war over it. DFW Apr 2014 #6

Nailed it. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #30

Foreign Policy blog article on Ukrainian move and Putin's MO MBS Apr 2014 #38

Good that those Russia defenders claiming the militias are 'peaceful' protestors now have proof. blm Apr 2014 #3

Nah Iliyah Apr 2014 #4

Yup, the similarities between our GOP and Putin are amazing. MBS Apr 2014 #39

I'm sure ordinary protesters form platoons and are familiar with anti-tank weapons. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #5

Only problem is that EuroMaidan PR have been proven to scam in the past dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #7

And Putin a liar. Yet you choose to believe Putin? Adrahil Apr 2014 #19

Believe Putin? He is Putin's biggest fan and defender. In fact, Dipsey believes we're in need of okaawhatever Apr 2014 #62

And I just don't understand it. Adrahil Apr 2014 #67

so you're saying that Russian sources are credible and honest CreekDog Apr 2014 #31

Alexander from Russia jakeXT Apr 2014 #8

I thought the English secret names were pretty cool. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #9

"Shooter" reminds me of the Wahlberg movie where he is set up as a patsy jakeXT Apr 2014 #11

Yep ... and there are WMDs in Iraq cosmicone Apr 2014 #10

Cracklin' good example of the old "post hoc ergo prompter hoc" fallacy. LanternWaste Apr 2014 #17

It is propter and not prompter - second time I noticed in your posts cosmicone Apr 2014 #23

Except most sane people don't think this is fake. EX500rider Apr 2014 #26

Fuck Putin! lark Apr 2014 #12

Instead of listening to the grievances nyabingi Apr 2014 #13

So just to get you on the record.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #14

Considering that the posts of nyabingi Apr 2014 #16

So you do believe that "Ukrainian interim government, as a whole, are "outright neo-nazis" LanternWaste Apr 2014 #18

I did say "yes" nyabingi Apr 2014 #20

Parubyi is not a member of Right Sektor. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #21

Notably, Svoboda and Right Sektor are equal to United Russia. joshcryer Apr 2014 #24

Yeah I get a big chuckle out of the "fascists Ukrainians" meme while ignoring the many... EX500rider Apr 2014 #27

You are most certainly trying to downplay the neo-Nazi nyabingi Apr 2014 #32

You are vastly inflating the importance of Svoboda and right sector. Adrahil Apr 2014 #34

Regardless of how small a minority they may be... nyabingi Apr 2014 #36

So what are the instances of ethnic Russian persecution after Yanukoych fled the country? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #40

Besides the fact that the people from Svoboda, Right Sector and nyabingi Apr 2014 #45

That's it? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #48

At this point, there doesn't need to be... nyabingi Apr 2014 #49

But there's been no actual threats of violence against ethnic Russians from the government. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #50

The unelected government... nyabingi Apr 2014 #51

So, in short, "No." Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #52

This interim government nyabingi Apr 2014 #54

It's an interim government. In-ter-im. Follow me? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #57

Shades of the Tea Party and Koch oligarchs who run the US HoR who have bad plans for most of us. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #66

Russia has supressed the Ukrainians language for centuries. joshcryer Apr 2014 #68

Language is a touchy topic nyabingi Apr 2014 #69

Yeah.... it's the WEST that are the predators here..... Adrahil Apr 2014 #41

The UN? nyabingi Apr 2014 #44

So, you believe Putin over the U.N.? Really? NT Adrahil Apr 2014 #64

The UN, as I've said, nyabingi Apr 2014 #70

are you some kind of Russian mole? lanlady Apr 2014 #22

+1000 EX500rider Apr 2014 #28

How much is Obama, John McCain, nyabingi Apr 2014 #35

Not enough!!! lol EX500rider Apr 2014 #37

You forgot the obligatory Victoria Nuland reference. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #60

So you're resorting to nyabingi Apr 2014 #71

Explain exactly how my arguments are falling flat. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #72

Get your head out of the sand nyabingi Apr 2014 #33

that's funny, we were all thinking that about you!! lol n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #59

Kind of like how the Soviets patiently listened to christx30 Apr 2014 #42

my friend Putin? Hahaha! nyabingi Apr 2014 #46

Sure, 1st thing you do during a protest... EX500rider Apr 2014 #58

Unsurprising. joshcryer Apr 2014 #15

Did those people have permission to record that conversation? penultimate Apr 2014 #25

Sorry, christx30 Apr 2014 #43

Oops! Bookmarking for tomorrow. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #29

Oops. William769 Apr 2014 #47

geeze, it's almost like the Contras we backed in Nicaragua, the anti-Castro Cubans, the various yurbud Apr 2014 #53

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #56

Armed men trying to storm military unit in Mariupol Bosonic Apr 2014 #63

Aleksandr was IDed not as a politician or military guy. Igel Apr 2014 #65