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In reply to the discussion: Deputy Prime Minister Yarema Says Several Hundred Russian Troops In Ukraine [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)14. Yes, that was confusing. I thought the Russians admitted to it. The only way to verify the claim...
is to capture and identify the people in question. It doesn't look as if that's going to happen.
And having a BBC reporter chiming in does bolster the veracity slightly. I hope the reporter doesn't end up a casualty during whatever is coming.
It's going to be very hard to resist them splitting Ukraine as it's been part of Russia longer than it was separate from them, AFAIK.
I do not approve (as if that made any difference) of the tactics employed. They are not the actions of a popular protest or even asking for local control. This could wait until May 25th, but it appears the native born Russia supporters in Ukraine and the Russian nationals who embedded themselves, intend to weigh the scales irreparably against national Ukrainian rule.
Americans have our brand of such who would employ such tactics, and are using any opportunity to do so. All funded by oligarches like the Koches, carrying the banner of the GOP, Tea Party and Libertarians, wanting secession, cheered on by conservative media.
It's why they love Putin, he's doing what they want to do to the USA. Same economic strategy, same messaging. It's not Communism in either place, that's a canard to appeal to those living in Fauxland. Glennbeckistan is clearer to the real values that they loves about Russia, capitalism and oligarchy and theocratic influence.
In all parts of the world, including the USA, the method is the same and works like clockwork. Find an enemy or list of enemies that you really don't care about to galvanize the willfully ignorant, attack civil society first by plunder and then by weaponry.
Dark days are ahead here if people don't wake up and stop fighting ourselves. Taking the bait over the contrived enemies without looking where the nihilism leads to in the future. The good do not always prevail, and some think they can get by through not choosing anything or the lesser of the two evils, as they say. When people have not chosen, they have made a choice to let others run the country, and the status quo reaps the benefit. Just because some parts of the status quo now favor the many, clearly not all of them do:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298
They are close to getting this done now, the public mind is split in B&W thinking and letting them do it.
As far as what is happening in Ukraine, we don't want the power of the military set loose in this country the way it's going down there, but after a while, with so many armed fanatics about, that's the only thing that will maintain order. The oligarchs are working to provoke a civil war here, as a defunded government will not risk it, and if they get their civil war, they will swoon in and take it all. In the meantime, they continue their war of attrition by starvation of the people's government, and many on both sides of the political divide cheer them on as they have been taught to be fearful and scream they may lose their freedom. They unwittingly support the oligarchy and theocrats, the fall back rulers in any civil war if government does not win the conflict.
I suspect part of the reason Putin is supported at home. People get sick of being hemmed in by robber barons and not have any redress or unity. We can go down that road, too. And some here want that. as they think it won't affect them.
Just sayin'
And having a BBC reporter chiming in does bolster the veracity slightly. I hope the reporter doesn't end up a casualty during whatever is coming.
It's going to be very hard to resist them splitting Ukraine as it's been part of Russia longer than it was separate from them, AFAIK.
I do not approve (as if that made any difference) of the tactics employed. They are not the actions of a popular protest or even asking for local control. This could wait until May 25th, but it appears the native born Russia supporters in Ukraine and the Russian nationals who embedded themselves, intend to weigh the scales irreparably against national Ukrainian rule.
Americans have our brand of such who would employ such tactics, and are using any opportunity to do so. All funded by oligarches like the Koches, carrying the banner of the GOP, Tea Party and Libertarians, wanting secession, cheered on by conservative media.
It's why they love Putin, he's doing what they want to do to the USA. Same economic strategy, same messaging. It's not Communism in either place, that's a canard to appeal to those living in Fauxland. Glennbeckistan is clearer to the real values that they loves about Russia, capitalism and oligarchy and theocratic influence.
In all parts of the world, including the USA, the method is the same and works like clockwork. Find an enemy or list of enemies that you really don't care about to galvanize the willfully ignorant, attack civil society first by plunder and then by weaponry.
Dark days are ahead here if people don't wake up and stop fighting ourselves. Taking the bait over the contrived enemies without looking where the nihilism leads to in the future. The good do not always prevail, and some think they can get by through not choosing anything or the lesser of the two evils, as they say. When people have not chosen, they have made a choice to let others run the country, and the status quo reaps the benefit. Just because some parts of the status quo now favor the many, clearly not all of them do:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298
They are close to getting this done now, the public mind is split in B&W thinking and letting them do it.
As far as what is happening in Ukraine, we don't want the power of the military set loose in this country the way it's going down there, but after a while, with so many armed fanatics about, that's the only thing that will maintain order. The oligarchs are working to provoke a civil war here, as a defunded government will not risk it, and if they get their civil war, they will swoon in and take it all. In the meantime, they continue their war of attrition by starvation of the people's government, and many on both sides of the political divide cheer them on as they have been taught to be fearful and scream they may lose their freedom. They unwittingly support the oligarchy and theocrats, the fall back rulers in any civil war if government does not win the conflict.
I suspect part of the reason Putin is supported at home. People get sick of being hemmed in by robber barons and not have any redress or unity. We can go down that road, too. And some here want that. as they think it won't affect them.
Just sayin'
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Deputy Prime Minister Yarema Says Several Hundred Russian Troops In Ukraine [View all]
big_dog
Apr 2014
OP
Yes, that was confusing. I thought the Russians admitted to it. The only way to verify the claim...
freshwest
Apr 2014
#14
Why are building takeovers by anti-Yanukovich government protesters called "Free Speech" . . .
another_liberal
Apr 2014
#6
Maidan at its very worst still pales in comparision to the Russian "protesters."
Tommy_Carcetti
Apr 2014
#12
Native Ukrainians protesting not quite the same as Russian troops pretending to be locals. n/t
EX500rider
Apr 2014
#18
Seems to me the degree of arms allows a most relevant change to the concept, upping it to coercion.
LanternWaste
Apr 2014
#22
Don't ya know the locals are all "fascist CIA stooges" while the Russian Spetnaz...
EX500rider
Apr 2014
#19