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Nihil

(13,508 posts)
69. No fabrication necessary.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:22 PM
Apr 2014

This OP statement ...

>> Florida House has passed a bill that would allow all gun owners to conceal
>> their weapons in public during hurricane evacuations, toxic events, and riots.

... combined with this OP statement ...

>> Currently, Floridians must have a concealed carry permit to carry in public
>> without the weapon showing.

... suggests that, without such a bill, it would *not* be legal for gun owners who do *not*
have a concealed carry permit to conceal their weapons in public whilst those who *do*
have such a permit are legally able to carry the guns with or without evacuations, riots, etc..

If so, when the non-CC-permitted folks leave their house at present (e.g., to go to work,
a ball-game, for a drink or whatever), what do they do with the weapon that they are not
permitted to carry concealed?

Do they:
a) Carry it concealed anyway?
b) Carry it openly?
c) Leave it behind in a blah-blah-approved gun-safe?
d) Leave it behind somewhere other than in a blah-blah-approved gun-safe?


(Note: If you view the words "a gun-safe" as being specific to a particular product then we are
simply at cross-purposes as I am using it generically, not as a trademark of Brand Whatever.)


Option (c) is obviously the one I had suggested was the behaviour of a "responsible" owner.

I admit I had disregarded (b) initially as that didn't seem to be the point of the
regulation change but hadn't intended that omission to "fabricating a definition".

I did however consider options (a) & (d) to be irresponsible - (a) because it would be illegal
and (d) because having a gun in the house outside a gun-safe without the owner present
under those circumstances (work/pub/ball-game) is no different from having a gun in the
house outside a gun-safe without the owner present under the specified circumstances
(evacuation/toxic leak/riot).

How are you interpreting those two cases differently please?


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Small penises squeal with joy. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #1
The bigger the gun, the smaller...... 7962 Apr 2014 #14
Some gun hugger on DU will complain they are tired of people equating guns to the size of a man's Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #17
If you had to choose who should have guns, it should be intelligent, sane people, Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #22
So be careful what you say in one of those evacuation shelters davidpdx Apr 2014 #2
Opposed by The Sheriffs Association & The National Guard SecularMotion Apr 2014 #3
Yeah, what helps calm chaos and panic more than guns? TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #4
setting fires? Tear gas bombs? Illogical pandering to emotion (Bundy Ranch)? Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #18
We are ruled by crazy. Baitball Blogger Apr 2014 #5
Congratulations to the FL ledge sarge43 Apr 2014 #6
yep, I would prefer Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #7
and ripe for the taking. CFLDem Apr 2014 #28
Last year there was a huge flood in Southern Alberta, Canada daleo Apr 2014 #33
More pandering to the gun nuts IkeRepublican Apr 2014 #8
This is an Onion Article or Saturday Night Live Skit, right? chuckstevens Apr 2014 #9
I wonder ...during the next huge hurricane yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #10
Oh, lots. . .and remember, their right to life is secondary to a gun humper's right to put large Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #21
I don't necessarily see a problem Armadotrasgo Apr 2014 #11
Our family already isn't going to FL anymore because of the vy bad SYG laws. News laws are just blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #12
Makes Sense rpannier Apr 2014 #13
'Times Of Turmoil, Widespread Panic?' Sounds like another GOP coup is being planned. freshwest Apr 2014 #15
Or a jam band festival n/t Cal Carpenter Apr 2014 #30
My thoughts exactly. reflection Apr 2014 #42
GMTA. Brickbat Apr 2014 #48
Floridians still live in fear of some great black uprising Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #50
I've always been in awe that this has not happened. The reason that white racists fear it so much, freshwest Apr 2014 #55
I always wanted to visit Florida. I don't think that will ever happen with all the gun shit. roguevalley Apr 2014 #16
I'm not taking my wife there when I bring her to the States for the first time. And she wants to go Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #20
Disney World is a fun visit Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #35
I know. I've been there five times. But she's Chinese and convinced she will get shot in Florida Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #38
I don't think the fear is irrational. Foreign tourist have been shot in the US. nt raccoon Apr 2014 #41
People have been struck twice by lightning and then attacked by a swarm of bees... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #72
Yea most people. But then most people don't upaloopa Apr 2014 #54
I'm never going there... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #25
This isn't have "what a stupid idea" written all over it, due to the NRA and ALEC. Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #19
In a related story,....let's make it legal for a fetus to have a gun.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #23
Between this and the Stand Your Ground law... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #24
People wonder why I sometimes want Mass to secede MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #26
Aftermath of a hurricane- secondvariety Apr 2014 #27
Everyone who wants to pack heat CFLDem Apr 2014 #29
I was in Biloxi after Katrina Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #36
2004 was secondvariety Apr 2014 #37
I turned down a job in Florida because of this bullshit jpak Apr 2014 #31
Pure American lunacy. nt valerief Apr 2014 #32
Because when things are tense and people are nervous Turbineguy Apr 2014 #34
what a great idea. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #39
We need another of those posts about the Repukes are in their death throes Doctor_J Apr 2014 #40
Sane people of the world: DO NOT APPROACH FLORIDA! FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #43
In a time of "widespread turmoil and panic"... Sammy Glick Apr 2014 #44
"And yet, we have one of the lowest rates of crime we’ve ever been at." nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #45
let's look at actual data melm00se Apr 2014 #46
NO!!! NOT FACTS!!! YOU'LL RUIN EVERYTHING!! lol n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #65
"Let's make a law for when the social order breaks down!" alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #47
They don't get Feral Child Apr 2014 #53
This is the repuke answer to global warming/climate change. truthisfreedom Apr 2014 #49
Just another reason to never spend a dime on vacation in Florida. They can happily appleannie1 Apr 2014 #51
Low crime = nobody getting shot! Yea right. upaloopa Apr 2014 #52
Do you want guns left unsupervised in an evacuation? How does that make sense? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #56
It don't matter what I want. A gunner is going to do upaloopa Apr 2014 #57
Ah, I see. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #59
I never said any of that shit. Where do you guys learn upaloopa Apr 2014 #60
You complained there were too many guns Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #61
Where did you read complain? upaloopa Apr 2014 #62
"Logic if the problem is guns left around the less guns means less guns laying around." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #63
Play your games I don't give a shit. upaloopa Apr 2014 #64
You keep using weasel terms. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #66
Now now... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #73
Guns can be left "unsupervised" for weeks if necessary without a problem. Nihil Apr 2014 #67
When you fabricate a defintion to serve a desired outcome its easy to argue in favor Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #68
No fabrication necessary. Nihil Apr 2014 #69
Concerning option (a) Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #70
one chart says it all Evasporque Apr 2014 #58
Allows us to defend our homes even when we are not at home! Orsino Apr 2014 #71
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