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10. Yes, it's not a black-and-white issue, is it? Some people want only to focus on one thing.

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 10:57 PM

Apr 2014

There's an article I saw recently (that unfortunately I lost track of) that indicated the people in the villages are often quite happy with the removal of the targets of the drones, and described the unspeakable brutality and atrocities the terrorists visited upon the people around them. But that fact implies some complexity to an issue that others would like to see as simple.

For the record, I'm against the drone program because of the civilian deaths and because it's a public relations disaster that is used as a recruiting tool by the very forces it's designed to minimize. But fighting Taliban and Taliban-like freaks, with the (behind closed doors) permission of the governments involved, to get rid of the torturers of girls for daring to go to school? That part I'm not against.

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US Drone Obliterates Civilians in Yemen [View all] Rumold Apr 2014 OP

whose orders did you say? oh we all know whose nt msongs Apr 2014 #1

It would be good for Yemen to show some concern for other innocents too seveneyes Apr 2014 #2

Sounds like we're killing them to help them. Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #4

Don't worry, we'll bomb them into accepting gay rights. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #6

The end justifies the means. zeemike Apr 2014 #9

+1 Fearless Apr 2014 #36

more like might makes right rafeh1 Apr 2014 #144

Yes, it's not a black-and-white issue, is it? Some people want only to focus on one thing. uhnope Apr 2014 #10

So convenient to qoute an article that you can no longer link to - eh? mazzarro Apr 2014 #74

do you seriously doubt the possibility of what I said uhnope Apr 2014 #77

You dont believe those things happen regularly in those regions?? How many links you want? 7962 Apr 2014 #115

How about just one link that reflects something happening in Yemen. The Stranger Apr 2014 #154

here, let me google that for you uhnope Apr 2014 #156

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #160

You miss the point completely uhnope Apr 2014 #161

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #158

Yeah, and the Vietnamese people really appreciated our napalming them. The Stranger Apr 2014 #153

LOL. and a gun is the equivalent of a nuclear bomb. uhnope Apr 2014 #155

Why are the defenders of killing innocent civilians first in line to thump on about gay rights? Scootaloo Apr 2014 #11

+1,000,000 cpwm17 Apr 2014 #110

you have it backwards. Why are opponents of the drone strikes the first in line uhnope Apr 2014 #169

You think murdering civilians in Yemen makes the Taliban think twice about gay rights? Scootaloo Apr 2014 #170

How many girls can a dead Taliban terrorist stone to death? uhnope Apr 2014 #171

How many girls can a drone missile kill? Scootaloo Apr 2014 #172

project much? uhnope Apr 2014 #174

"the war against the targeted killing of innocents" Rumold Apr 2014 #14

is it treasonous that I hope the drones are somehow shot down from the sky? Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #3

Not treasonous. christx30 Apr 2014 #195

From what I understand, the drone operators think Dragonfli Apr 2014 #5

We're all guilty. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #7

My mother drunk or sober. L0oniX Apr 2014 #70

Unacceptable. Unhelpful. Unforgiveable. n/t DirkGently Apr 2014 #8

Courageous? Supersedeas Apr 2014 #194

"Courageous" drone strikes? Probably not. DirkGently Apr 2014 #196

I'm pretty sure that they had darker skin than I do MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #12

Though it may be difficult for many to understand, the targets are not civilians but are soldiers Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #13

I cant believe that a Democrat would say that. Rationalizing the murder of innocent civilians rhett o rick Apr 2014 #15

Actually he's perfectly in line CFLDem Apr 2014 #72

The problem with your post is that... bvar22 Apr 2014 #79

We can condemn all we want. CFLDem Apr 2014 #86

I can not believe you do not understand terrorism. How are your rationalizing the killing of 3000 Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #78

It looks like you dont understand "terrorism". rhett o rick Apr 2014 #98

What have I EVER posted which indicates I do not understand what terrorism consist? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #121

Ok I will give it another try. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #176

Drones serves a purpose in which foot soldiers or special teams used to do. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #178

I do not think that word means what you think it means. uhnope Apr 2014 #168

It doesnt matter what the intent is. The drones striking and killing people without warning is rhett o rick Apr 2014 #177

Produce the international law. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #179

Some how I doubt it would do any good. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #182

your lack of critical thinking skills terrifies me. So you're a terrorist? uhnope Apr 2014 #180

I dont need this. Go away. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #181

I agree with you. Hiding amongst civilians is a staple for these people. 7962 Apr 2014 #116

The governments involved allow the drone strikes, so it's not "terrorism". uhnope Apr 2014 #162

Ok let's stick to the facts. It's a fact that government authorization is not included in the rhett o rick Apr 2014 #163

I do not think that word means what you think it means. uhnope Apr 2014 #164

Basically, Terrorism is using violence to intimidate. Please reread post #98. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Apr 2014 #165

though it may be difficult for YOU to understand ... Rumold Apr 2014 #16

These terrorist are not civilians, they are part of a organized terrorist group, they have signed on Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #80

Its not entirely indiscriminate creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #84

You would be amazed how many people around here seem to think WatermelonRat Apr 2014 #173

Fucking hell. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #17

It may have not been my child involved in the 9/11 attacks but can you promise it will not Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #81

It may be your child that's killed by a right wing neo nazi. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #90

Terrorist are terrorist, it doesn't matter who they are, it could be your spouse. What is your plan Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #92

I don't live my life in fear. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #94

Do you think all spouses who kill their spouse is brown? You are drawing conclusions which Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #95

So you support drone strikes on US soil? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #99

The answer would be yes, and not limited to any color. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #102

Even if your family was collateral damage? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #103

You still do not present your plan to stop the terror attacks, if you don't present a plan then Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #105

"Until we have a better plan killing civilians is ok." ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #108

If had an intelligent plan you would have presented it. Yes, I know what it takes to win Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #112

Comparing dead people to football points? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #127

There is such a thing as state terrorism. cabrona Apr 2014 #104

It's ok to kill innocent people..... ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #109

Was there any collateral damage in the 9/11 events? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #114

9/11! 9/11! Is that you George? nt roody Apr 2014 #119

I think it's mayor Giuliani. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #128

Is this your truck? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #129

A noun, a verb and ... Fumesucker Apr 2014 #130

That's why the doctrine of the double effect doesn't work. cabrona Apr 2014 #131

"But the strikes are carried out with thermobaric weapons that wipe out an entire city block." EX500rider Apr 2014 #197

Yikes! 1000words Apr 2014 #19

^This^ n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #29

Um, you'd be surprised how smart some of us are. Hissyspit Apr 2014 #46

Likewise, don't tell me my opinion, it works both ways. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #83

I didn't. Hissyspit Apr 2014 #91

You left off part of your name Lancero Apr 2014 #55

I am thinking about remaining the Democrat I have been all my life. Are you thinking about Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #82

We're playing whack-a-mole ... Martin Eden Apr 2014 #76

What would your policy be? Do you have a plan? Give your plan on halting terrorism Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #85

First, stop creating the next generation of terrorists. Martin Eden Apr 2014 #88

Your answer is to not create more enemies with drone strikes. How many drone strikes occurred Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #89

Your question is based on the false premise that drone strikes is the only misguided policy Martin Eden Apr 2014 #96

You said Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #100

Logical Fallacy Martin Eden Apr 2014 #106

you said it logical fallacy, but no clear plan did you give. Monday Morning quarterback. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #113

Actually, I was quite clear Martin Eden Apr 2014 #122

Logic again Supersedeas Apr 2014 #148

Sorry, that's a fail. and I call BS. uhnope Apr 2014 #175

You are entitled to your opinion and I am mine.... 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #18

A life is a life. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #20

I see I didn't answer your comment. 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #53

"an American Soldier or Marine is worth more to me than a Yemeni civilian." ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #57

Guess I am because I am collecting my Social Security every month. Is that what you meant? 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #59

Wow that's some fucked up thinking. GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #62

May your stay here be brief. Nationalists don't belong here. n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #97

That is highly presumptuous of you. Lasher Apr 2014 #125

How far would you be willing to take that? Should US interests be put ahead of human rights? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #132

Known al Qaeda leaders met in Yemen to plan attacks against us. Lasher Apr 2014 #133

That's not impressive, we are much more likely to be killed by my fellow citizens for.... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #135

"War on tactics we don't like" Lasher Apr 2014 #136

Drones provide a tactical advantage at what? Ending terrorism or killing terrorists? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #137

Do you really need to ask? Lasher Apr 2014 #138

So basically you are advocating for a forever war? Talk about a waste of resources and... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #139

tactical advantage of the double tap Rumold Apr 2014 #142

Sorry did not mean for you to have to pick up my slack. 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #167

a matter of perspective??? loveandlight Apr 2014 #186

Tends to happen when we allow greater weight to one life over another simply due to being born on on LanternWaste Apr 2014 #187

If this is how you measure''success'' I'll put you on IGNORE now and beat the rush. n/t DeSwiss Apr 2014 #21

Please do the less I deal with people that are anti American the better. 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #23

"anti-american" ? Seriously, you said that. 2banon Apr 2014 #27

Pro humanity isn't anti american. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #40

Once upon a time right wing memes were unwelcome. JoeyT Apr 2014 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Apr 2014 #48

So, then, you must agree with everything that our government does cpwm17 Apr 2014 #111

"highly successful attack" Rumold Apr 2014 #24

Perhaps if you, yes YOU, had to deal with Al Qaeda you might, well not you but some..... 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #25

So what were you banned for originally? n/t geomon666 Apr 2014 #26

Not sure what you are implying I have never been banned. 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #32

oh , you had to deal with al qaeda, must have been very scary Rumold Apr 2014 #28

LOL, no no more than I am hurting your feelings by expressing my opinion. 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #34

nothing to do with feelings Rumold Apr 2014 #37

You mean my eagle globe and anchor? 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #38

i will apologize Rumold Apr 2014 #39

That's ok but I thought everyone recognized the Marine Corps symbol. 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #45

So tough. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #42

Thank you, your fake chest puffing is noted. 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #43

You're the one putting on the act. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #56

The dream world is thinking that blowing up civilians abroad will make us safer and stronger. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #33

I love terrorists with stiff necks don't you? Makes them easier to spot always looking up. 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #50

The trick us to follow the money;) grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #58

Got to protect that Yemen democracy.... think Apr 2014 #31

LOL, no but those particular "terrorists" are terrorists no more. 4bucksagallon Apr 2014 #49

American support of Yemen's right wing dictator is hypocritical at best think Apr 2014 #68

Yes, but your opinion Hissyspit Apr 2014 #47

Bullshit abounds, Hissy. Lasher Apr 2014 #126

War? What war? Martin Eden Apr 2014 #75

If they had some poppies....... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #22

Commondreams is not a credible news source cosmicone Apr 2014 #30

You're not a credible news source, lol. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #35

If a criminal was hiding in your house...... ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #41

Drones a new way to regulate behavior… polynomial Apr 2014 #51

Killing in the name of. . . Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #52

One of my faves: 1000words Apr 2014 #54

Excellent song! CFLDem Apr 2014 #118

The US has been, and for a while now, the biggest supporter of state terrorism. Lancero Apr 2014 #60

"The US has been, and for a while now, the biggest supporter of state terrorism." EX500rider Apr 2014 #149

Another victory in the war of terror! hooray! Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #61

Murdered in cold blood, and paid for with your tax dollars blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #63

Worlds largest robot killing machine ever invented. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #64

Get those new military awards ready! WinkyDink Apr 2014 #65

The Air Force has a created . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #66

Someday soon manicmuse1 Apr 2014 #67

These drones must have civilian target sensors... L0oniX Apr 2014 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #71

Machine of Death Card: death by drone. nt Javaman Apr 2014 #73

There is another side to the story and some anti-drone opinions are based on falsehoods uhnope Apr 2014 #87

I think someone didn't get the memo. If they were killed in a drone strike, they're not "civilians" hughee99 Apr 2014 #93

It must be weird to have those things flying overhead. cabrona Apr 2014 #101

Would such not be terrorism if inflicted on Amurikan soil? indepat Apr 2014 #107

By definition, no, since the drones are government controlled. ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #117

If government-controlled, would that, then, be an act of war? indepat Apr 2014 #124

That, or maybe illegal methods of law enforcement. ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #134

It would be a act of war if Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia weren't helping with targeting. EX500rider Apr 2014 #150

Imagine how great the economy would be if the president was truedelphi Apr 2014 #120

These people just don't understand chess Doctor_J Apr 2014 #123

Why do you hate Obama? NealK Apr 2014 #140

... Love is the only weapon ... Rumold Apr 2014 #141

CIA/NSA are still working out the kinks before deploying in the US. -nt pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #143

I'm sure you're right marions ghost Apr 2014 #147

When will it become OK for China... freebrew Apr 2014 #145

Except the fact that those countries are helping with targeting? (Yemen-Paki-Somali) EX500rider Apr 2014 #151

My choice of countries was out of a hat... freebrew Apr 2014 #157

if those countries request help with terrorists/insurgents which.. EX500rider Apr 2014 #159

Was the US invited to kill the country's citizens? freebrew Apr 2014 #183

Yes we were "invited" to kill terrorists on their soil. EX500rider Apr 2014 #188

Well, I guess that makes it OK, then. freebrew Apr 2014 #190

Well if the actual complaint is the number of civilians accidentally killed.... EX500rider Apr 2014 #191

The 'actual' complaint? freebrew Apr 2014 #192

Except we aren't just attacking any country but ones that want help with Al Queda camps. EX500rider Apr 2014 #193

"If the US is killing people in another nation, that is against international law" EX500rider Apr 2014 #189

This is the most immoral deployment of force marions ghost Apr 2014 #146

I agree with you Nihil Apr 2014 #184

yes marions ghost Apr 2014 #185

Creating terrorists daily by the thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. The Stranger Apr 2014 #152