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Jesus Malverde

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36. Do the pictures prove that Russian special forces are engaged in Ukraine?

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 09:59 AM

Apr 2014

The US state department has claimed Russian special forces are engaged in covert actions in the Ukraine, citing as evidence controversial photographs that purportedly identify known personnel and show bullet-proof jackets and “Russian-designed weapons like AK-47s”.

At first glance, the US appears to be opening itself up to ridicule by referring to the AK-47, a ubiquitous rifle used for decades in conflicts from the Middle East to Africa and Latin America due to its ease of use.

Any US government should be wary of presenting photographs as proof little more than a decade after Colin Powell displayed at the United Nations photographs incorrectly showing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.

The Ukrainian pictures do not provide unequivocal proof. The man with the grey beard cited as being in the Ukraine does resemble the one in Georgia in 2008, but only loosely. Close inspection shows the moustache is combed up in one and down in the other, the beards are different lengths, the hair much whiter and there a difference in weight. That could be explained away by the seven-year gap, but it is far from conclusive.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/22/-sp-does-us-evidence-prove-russian-special-forces-are-in-eastern-ukraine

Yellow cake, Yellow cake, Mobile Gas factories, etc. The Neocon playbook is so predictable.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/22/-sp-does-us-evidence-prove-russian-special-forces-are-in-eastern-ukraine

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Photos Link Masked Men in East Ukraine to Russia [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 OP

Re: 'the connection between Russia and some of the armed militants' mallard Apr 2014 #1

Oh Jesus Christ, Putin admitted it was his forces in Crimea. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #2

What else does Putin want us to think? uhnope Apr 2014 #10

Did State deliver Russian troops into the Crimea? (insert distinction without a difference here) LanternWaste Apr 2014 #11

ZZ Top guy doesn't seem to be much into masking his identity jakeXT Apr 2014 #3

Perhaps another pre-taped Q&A session will hold Putin accountable for this! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #4

aren't people in Washington realizing that their bullshit is wearing thin? Whether this particular yurbud Apr 2014 #5

"(I)t's Russia's backyard" Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #6

"NATO are clearly stirring the pot to further dismember and weaken Russia" EX500rider Apr 2014 #14

in context of post-Cold War history, with NATO advancing into former Warsaw Pact yurbud Apr 2014 #17

Unless Russia plans on attacking the EU, why should they care? EX500rider Apr 2014 #23

Cuba and Venezuela are the US's backyard. Igel Apr 2014 #22

Shhhh, can't mention that, only Russia has that right apparently. EX500rider Apr 2014 #24

somehow I suspect those who condemn Russia's meddling wouldn't even admit yurbud Apr 2014 #25

More Hair Shirt politics. Adrahil Apr 2014 #26

Not True, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #27

I'm concerned that the motive for our government's outcry has little to do with Russian imperialism yurbud Apr 2014 #28

Even If So, Sir, So What? The Magistrate Apr 2014 #30

isn't that what we did in Yugoslavia? yurbud Apr 2014 #31

Not Really, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #32

so you think we go to war for humanitarian not financial reasons? yurbud Apr 2014 #42

Apples To Oranges, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #43

and the strings attached to EU loan are just a coincidence? yurbud Apr 2014 #44

The Comparison, Sir, Was Kossovo To Iraq The Magistrate Apr 2014 #45

Psyops in full force cosmicone Apr 2014 #7

Well, there is the little problem with Russia admitting to its troops being in Crimea.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #8

Not to mention they announced they'd send operatives in anyway muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #9

Yup.... but don't try to tell that to our resident.... Adrahil Apr 2014 #19

how about video proof from yesterday? but I don't expect you to respond to this snooper2 Apr 2014 #12

I know! Pro-Putin and Hillary Clinton is an oxymoron. joshcryer Apr 2014 #15

Disinformation... warrprayer Apr 2014 #13

Well, I guess actual historical precedent doesn't matter. Adrahil Apr 2014 #20

But it's clearly not a staged photo OP. joshcryer Apr 2014 #16

Guy with a beard, guy with a Balaclava, hard to tell... Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #29

You missed this one dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #34

Spetsnaz or FSB? Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #35

high res pictures from the internets jakeXT Apr 2014 #41

should Russia have done what we do in Latin America when we don't like elected governments? yurbud Apr 2014 #18

I absolutely deplore such activities.... Adrahil Apr 2014 #21

questioning U.S.State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki about photos representativepress Apr 2014 #33

Do the pictures prove that Russian special forces are engaged in Ukraine? Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #36

I'll see your yellow cake and raise you a Crimea. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #37

Nice try, this thread is about the photos which now event the NYT calls BS. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #39

So you doubt there are Russian military in Eastern Ukraine? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #40

Scrutiny Over Photos Said to Tie Russia Units to Ukraine jakeXT Apr 2014 #38