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In reply to the discussion: Supreme Court rejects hearing on military detention case [View all]struggle4progress
(126,331 posts)11. It seems you still haven't read the 2nd Circuit decision:
... Defendants-appellants seek review of a district court decision permanently enjoining enforcement of Section 1021(b)(2) of the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act on the ground that it violates the First and Fifth Amendments. We conclude that Section 1021 has no bearing on the governments authority to detain the American citizen plaintiffs and that those plaintiffs therefore lack Article III standing ...
... The controversy over Section 1021 was immediate. The government contends that Section 1021 simply reaffirms authority that the government already had under the AUMF, suggesting at times that the statute does next to nothing at all. Plaintiffs take a different view. They are journalists and activists who allegedly fear that the government may construe their work as having substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces ... The American citizen plaintiffs lack standing because Section 1021 says nothing at all about the Presidents authority to detain American citizens. And while Section 1021 does have a real bearing on those who are neither citizens nor lawful resident aliens and who are apprehended abroad, the non-citizen plaintiffs also have failed to establish standing because they have not shown a sufficient threat that the government will detain them under Section 1021 ...
To reach this, the 2nd Circuit examined both case law and the legislative history:
... Senator Feinstein observed that the dispute over Section 1031 boiled down to different interpretations of what the current law is. Specifically, she noted that
Senator Feinstein went on to state that, through her second proposed amendment, the two camps would agree to disagree:
Section 1031 of the Senate bill became the conference reports Section 1021 ...
(Emphasis added)
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/hedges.pdf
... The controversy over Section 1021 was immediate. The government contends that Section 1021 simply reaffirms authority that the government already had under the AUMF, suggesting at times that the statute does next to nothing at all. Plaintiffs take a different view. They are journalists and activists who allegedly fear that the government may construe their work as having substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces ... The American citizen plaintiffs lack standing because Section 1021 says nothing at all about the Presidents authority to detain American citizens. And while Section 1021 does have a real bearing on those who are neither citizens nor lawful resident aliens and who are apprehended abroad, the non-citizen plaintiffs also have failed to establish standing because they have not shown a sufficient threat that the government will detain them under Section 1021 ...
To reach this, the 2nd Circuit examined both case law and the legislative history:
... Senator Feinstein observed that the dispute over Section 1031 boiled down to different interpretations of what the current law is. Specifically, she noted that
the sponsors of the bill believe that current law authorizes the detention of U.S. citizens arrested within the United States, without trial, until the end of the hostilities which, in my view, is indefinitely.
Others of us believe that current law, including the Non-Detention Act that was enacted in 1971, does not authorize such indefinite detention of U.S. citizens arrested domestically. The sponsors believe that the Supreme Courts Hamdi case supports their position, while others of us believe that Hamdi, by the plurality opinions express terms, was limited to the circumstance of U.S. citizens arrested on the battlefield in Afghanistan, and does not extend to U.S. citizens arrested domestically. And our concern was that section 1031 of the bill as originally drafted
could be interpreted as endorsing the broader interpretation of Hamdi and other authorities.
Others of us believe that current law, including the Non-Detention Act that was enacted in 1971, does not authorize such indefinite detention of U.S. citizens arrested domestically. The sponsors believe that the Supreme Courts Hamdi case supports their position, while others of us believe that Hamdi, by the plurality opinions express terms, was limited to the circumstance of U.S. citizens arrested on the battlefield in Afghanistan, and does not extend to U.S. citizens arrested domestically. And our concern was that section 1031 of the bill as originally drafted
could be interpreted as endorsing the broader interpretation of Hamdi and other authorities.
Senator Feinstein went on to state that, through her second proposed amendment, the two camps would agree to disagree:
So our purpose in the second amendment, number 1456, is essentially to declare a truce, to provide that section 1031 of this bill does not change existing law, whichever sides view is the correct one. So the sponsors can read Hamdi and other authorities broadly, and opponents can read it more narrowly, and this bill does not endorse either sides interpretation, but leaves it to the courts to decide ...
Section 1031 of the Senate bill became the conference reports Section 1021 ...
(Emphasis added)
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/hedges.pdf
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Plaintiffs challenged the law, claiming it allowed for their indefinite detention. 2nd Circuit ruled
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#9
Bullcrap. "Can the NDAA be read to allow the president to detain indefinitely anyone he wants?
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#10
Would you rather have had the court agree with the plaintiffs' rightwing crackpot view of the law?
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#18
Plaintiffs challenged NDAA section 1210, which (with respect to citizen plaintiffs) essentially said
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#20
The support for the NDAA and indefinite detention is unbelievable. Would these
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#29
Let's look at your logic here. The current law allows indefinite detention.
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#26
I do not call the plaintiffs rightwing crackpots: I say that their case unwisely advanced
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#27
I'm afraid you wouldn't be a good lawyer. The legislative history of the NDAA, as described
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#15
The problem, as I expect we've discussed previously, is the Beltway consensus
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#22
Well, large numbers of DUers understood a decade ago that the AUMF meant war within a few weeks,
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#24
Yes, the death of Democracy, and with the support of the American people depending on
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#32
The case is very simple. Jose Padilla was arrested, detained without council, tortured until
rhett o rick
May 2014
#36
The head title guys at Reuters and AP are paid talent to twist the news with anti-Obama hints, in
Fred Sanders
Apr 2014
#2
The outrage comes from an inability to rise above Faux Nooz level trained responses.
freshwest
May 2014
#39
IIRC the 2nd Circuit determined, that plaintiffs did not have standing, was based
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#8
Thanks for the facts. The outrage machine feeds the Ignoratti who hate PBO. The Idiocracy cometh.
freshwest
May 2014
#38
Wrong. The courts held that those that challenged the law didnt have STANDING.
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#25
The script has already been written in too many people's heads. It writes itself. n/t
freshwest
May 2014
#40