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Swede Atlanta

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2. Agree. This is a judge who should be sent out to pasture......

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Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:54 AM

Apr 2014

But now you have the murder of a German exchange student in Montana by a gun nut who had been burgled and decided to set a trap for a would-be burglar. This time the "burglar" was a German exchange student who was shot a point-blank range when he entered the gun nut's garage.

The facts known to me are sparse but no evidence has been presented that the young man was engaged in burglary or an explanation for his presence there given.

But the gun nut decided to kill him. There is also no evidence the young man had any form of weapon or presented any direct danger to the gun nut or his family.

The gun nut's attorney is going to use Montana's "castle doctrine" defense. But that requires that the gun nut reasonably felt his life or that of his family was in danger. Sound familiar? This was the issue in the Treyvon Martin and the "I don't like rap music" cases in Florida.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/29/foreign-exchange-student-shot/8445731/

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Montana teacher's 1-month rape sentence overturned [View all] The Straight Story Apr 2014 OP

Whew. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #1

Agree. This is a judge who should be sent out to pasture...... Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #2

And your takeaway from that is... The Straight Story Apr 2014 #4

And ignoring that guns are the weapon of choice in the vast majority of these cases Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #5

Huh? Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #6

"Had he killed him any other way (bow and arrow, booby trap, etc)..." greiner3 Apr 2014 #13

Not sure what that last paragraph meant, but for the rest The Straight Story Apr 2014 #15

Yes, please ignore the death tube spewing lead, it has nothing to do with this. Exultant Democracy May 2014 #43

This seems a distraction from this thread. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #7

+ 1 russspeakeasy Apr 2014 #9

thank you passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #11

Someone needs to check into that judge's background. n/t proReality Apr 2014 #3

GOOD! MynameisBlarney Apr 2014 #8

4 years? For RAPE?? DiverDave Apr 2014 #10

I think there is a HUGE difference between violent, forcible rape Chemisse Apr 2014 #16

You are saying it's the GIRLS FAULT? DiverDave Apr 2014 #17

Did I SAY it was the girl's fault? Chemisse May 2014 #35

FYI Delmette May 2014 #52

are you serious? for statutory RAPE? dionysus Apr 2014 #18

Yes. Chemisse May 2014 #36

So taking advantage of a young girl is not a violent crime in your mind? moriah Apr 2014 #19

Umm, no. Chemisse May 2014 #37

So battery with a penis isn't enough for you, they've gotta use their fists as well. Got it. Edit.. moriah May 2014 #46

My dear that is rape nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #20

Wow. City Lights Apr 2014 #21

there is a reason for statuatory laws. magical thyme Apr 2014 #22

I agree that it is wrong and very damaging to a 14 year old Chemisse May 2014 #38

a physical and psychological violation is a physical and psychological violation magical thyme May 2014 #44

In this case, it was severe enough to make her commit suicide. moriah May 2014 #47

did you, perchance hfojvt Apr 2014 #23

I guess I think of 'forced' as being a physical action Chemisse May 2014 #39

Er, what? LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #24

Giving someone 4 years in jail is not akin to saying it's 'ok' Chemisse May 2014 #40

Advocating giving him the bare minimum because her boobs had developed LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #49

For example, using the irrelevant phrase "sexually mature" to imply a difference without a distincti LanternWaste May 2014 #54

A person in authority over classrooms full of kids....yeah... The Straight Story Apr 2014 #25

'Sorry little girl, you should not have teased him into raping you' Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #26

Considering the girl is dead now, it's even sadder. moriah May 2014 #30

This whole "sexually mature" bullshit is nothing but excusing the rapist Ohio Joe May 2014 #31

Why would you say that my opinion on the length of a prison sentence Chemisse May 2014 #41

It's apparently more "okay" to you than "violent, forcible rape" moriah May 2014 #48

"sexually mature" Ohio Joe May 2014 #50

dear goddess, please tell us you forgot the sarcasm icon. niyad Apr 2014 #27

That would make you a rape apologist. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #28

+1 n/t JTFrog May 2014 #34

Oh sure. My opinion that 4 years is a good sentence is JUST like saying rape is perfectly dandy. Chemisse May 2014 #42

You were splitting hairs between kinds of rape, LeftyMom May 2014 #45

He was her teacher. She was raped. knitter4democracy May 2014 #29

I'm sorry to reply again, but this gets me. "Violent, forcible rape" is extremely redundant, and... moriah May 2014 #32

Sick. JTFrog May 2014 #33

Didn't the girl kill herself? So, somehow, I don't think it is WhiteTara May 2014 #51

Slate has an interesting take on this passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #12

I may be the wrong person to take this position on this board, being a woman. GOPee May 2014 #53

I understand your concern passiveporcupine May 2014 #55

Judges that hand out weak sentences have some control over the situation as well. athenasatanjesus Apr 2014 #14

It is good to hear that the Montana Supreme Court overturned the original sentence davidpdx May 2014 #56