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happyslug

(14,779 posts)
31. See my post above.
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:30 PM
May 2014

The problem is how do you prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that abuse occurred? In many cases the Police are called, and BOTH parties says nothing happened. In other cases, both parties blame the other. Who is telling the truth? And, given the test for ARREST AND CONVICTION is proof beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT how do you have that when you only have two witnesses and both are blaming the other?

Thus the Protection Order was born. It solved the above problem. First, once such an Order is issued, all the Police have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that the Defendant knew of the Order AND that he or she was NEAR the victim. Nothing else needs to be proved, thus makes it a simple and quick arrest (the Abuser can NOT even claim the Victim asked the Abuser to see the Victim, for the Protection order is clear the abuser MUST stay away from the Victim).

Police LOVE protection orders, for once one is entered (And today that means it is on their computer in the patrol car) the Police do NOT have to see the abuser assault the victim, all the officer has to see is that the abuser is near the victim.

On the other hand, if the accusation is false (such false reports DO OCCUR) the alleged abuser just have to stay away from the alleged Victim and no criminal actions will be brought against the alleged abuser.

In cases were the issue is questionable, the Protection Orders makes it easier for Law Enforcement to protect Victims, even when they do not want protection. Thus the protection order does its job quite well.

Remember, the Protection Order is an attempt to get around the burden of proof the Police AND the victim have when it comes to any actual criminal assault. The protection order does so by shifting the burden from the victim to the abuser. Once the burden of proof has shifted, it makes the job of law enforcement easier and therefore quicker.

On the other hand, do you really want such shift of burden of proof on EVERYONE (i.e. Police can arrests anyone with no burden of proof)? Thus the two step procedure, the first step is a court ruling, based on some evidence that a victim was abused. Once that is done, any further contact is all that is needed for an arrest.

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Leaving an abuser is the most dangerous time. tammywammy Apr 2014 #1
Mercy shenmue Apr 2014 #2
Why did he have a gun and a restraining order? upaloopa Apr 2014 #3
DV protection order makes him a felon for having a gun in his hand. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #8
Under Federal Law, if you have a domestic restraining order, and you have a gun, it is five years happyslug Apr 2014 #17
If he is found guilty, and that appears likely, life w/o parole would suit. nt MADem Apr 2014 #4
+1 million Louisiana1976 May 2014 #28
Where was the good guy with a gun ? What bull . geretogo Apr 2014 #5
Mom was beaten, too, and my little brother and I hid behind the couch. Faygo Kid Apr 2014 #6
Sorry to hear about all that. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #12
I volunteered in a shelter with a secret location. Ilsa Apr 2014 #7
That is why my local is well known, but has tight security. happyslug Apr 2014 #20
Yeah, we had to be very careful with screening Ilsa Apr 2014 #22
Mother Fucking Guns!! SoCalMusicLover Apr 2014 #9
Amen. I am so sick of all this shit! Laurian Apr 2014 #10
You speak the truth! llmart Apr 2014 #13
amen mahannah Apr 2014 #15
Saw an article somewhere about the gun company CEO getting threats... rwsanders Apr 2014 #16
Was he standing his ground? Yeah, ridiculous, but all SYG cases are ridiculous. nt valerief Apr 2014 #11
Why do courts allow violent spouses to get visitation rights or part-time custody? 951-Riverside Apr 2014 #14
"We don't need any more battered womens' shelters!" Mister Ed Apr 2014 #18
Often is it the case of proving beyond a reasonable doubt a crime occurred. happyslug Apr 2014 #21
Thank you for taking the time to write a thorough and thoughtful post. Mister Ed May 2014 #25
Figures... Rider3 May 2014 #27
Poor woman!!! Beacool Apr 2014 #19
really? LynnTTT May 2014 #23
The reality is that the man had a gun. Beacool May 2014 #24
There was a restraining order. christx30 May 2014 #30
Protective Court Order? Rider3 May 2014 #26
Well said. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #29
See my post above. happyslug May 2014 #31
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