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Gothmog

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30. The latest smoking gun is not a smoking gun
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:03 PM
May 2014

The GOP has claimed to have found smoking guns every other week. The latest "smoking gun" does not change anything. http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/04/30/smoking_gun_shock_benghazi_e_mail_reveals_that_obama_white_house_agreed.html

The #Benghazi story is really tailor-made for the Vox version of journalism, the one with cards and updates explaining what new piece of information explains or debunks what previously understood piece of information. In this case, in order to consider the Rhodes email a "smoking gun," you need to forget the previously known timeline of emails sent on Sept. 14. Luckily, Time's Zeke Miller has left his timeline hanging around on the Internets, so I can add the Rhodes disclosure in bold text.

11:15 a.m.: The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence,* having asked for talking points, gets a draft from the CIA’s Office of Terrorism Analysis. It starts with this line, the one that would undo Susan Rice during her run through the Sunday shows: "We believe based on currently available information that the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. consulate and subsequently its annex."

12:23 p.m.: The CIA's office of general counsel adds a line about the "inspired by the protests" theory being inconclusive.

3:04 p.m.: The talking points are sent to relevant White House aides, including Ben Rhodes.

4:42 p.m.: The CIA circulates new talking points but removes a mention of al Qaida.

6:21 p.m.: The White House (Tommy Vietor, not Ben Rhodes) ads a line about the administration warning, on September 10, of social media reports calling for demonstrations.

7:39 p.m.: State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland objects to some of the language because "the penultimate point could be abused by members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings."

8:09 p.m.: Ben Rhodes sends the "smoking gun" email, nine hours after the first draft of talking points from the CIA said that the attacks grew out of a demonstration.



Read that USA Today lede again. It reports that "a White House official urged that the assault on the U.S. consulate be blamed on a protest that never happened." And he did—hours after the CIA and State Department were urging that the assault on the U.S. consulate be blamed on a protest. Can we chastise Rhodes, in retrospect, for not being more skeptical of what was known? Ten years after George "slam dunk" Tenet's advice for a prior administration, yes, I think we can. But it's just lazy journalism or lazy politicking to blame Rhodes for a talking point that was fed from the CIA. The White House's shifty-sounding excuse, that the "demonstration" story line came not from its spin factory but from the CIA, remains surprisingly accurate. (And I mean really lazy. It does not take very much time to compare the new Rhodes email to the previously known timeline of emails.)


The smoking gun is an e-mail that the White was agreeing with the CIA and State Department. I am shocked that anyone think that this e-mail changes anything. It would have been surprising if the White House disagreed with the CIA and the State Department.

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Just because they believe this warrior1 May 2014 #1
Judicial Watch: www.judicialwatch.org rtracey May 2014 #2
Lindsay Graham is a snake in the grass pangaia May 2014 #3
It might be funny if he kept digging They_Live May 2014 #4
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #5
Baloney - Lindsey knows he has to lie about Benghazi to attract GOP primary votes. blm May 2014 #9
anybbody got a blue dress with Lindsey Graham's DNA on it? putitinD May 2014 #20
ROFL.. truebrit71 May 2014 #28
the Primaries are coming! the Primaries are coming! Supersedeas May 2014 #34
Republicans would not know the truth if it bit them in the ass. Bandit May 2014 #18
or is tralalalalalalala....ing blm May 2014 #22
At odds with the FACTS, Mizz Lindsey? There were violent mass protests and deaths over that video blm May 2014 #6
OP says "email was 3 days later" dipsydoodle May 2014 #10
The protests against that video went on for nearly two weeks. Why pretend otherwise? blm May 2014 #11
Mizz Lindsay? merrily May 2014 #15
Most people in the Carolinas have been calling him Mizz Lindsey for a variety of reasons. blm May 2014 #23
Seems to me it's insulting to both gays and women to call a man Mizz as an insult. merrily May 2014 #25
Sorry - but, imo, precious hypocrites like Graham deserve constant reminder of their betrayals. blm May 2014 #27
Plenty of grounds to remind him of betrayals that do not insult both gays and women exist. merrily May 2014 #32
are the refucklicans still on Bengazi? cosmicone May 2014 #7
In other news, dead horse heard exclaiming: Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #8
How very true. lol. nt okaawhatever May 2014 #31
private conversations and vested agenda's exposed Supersedeas May 2014 #12
This "controversy" is dumb.. most people assumed it was in response from the video. DCBob May 2014 #13
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #14
This is a hit piece. Arkana May 2014 #19
This link, from CNN, show the email that contradicts the Benghazi leaks. DhhD May 2014 #16
Proving that Republicans misrepresented the email...to gin up the current fake outrage..this is big. Fred Sanders May 2014 #21
This is typical of how the GOP has handled everything they've touched. blm May 2014 #24
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Benghazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... KansDem May 2014 #26
Five years into the Obama Administration... sofa king May 2014 #29
The latest smoking gun is not a smoking gun Gothmog May 2014 #30
I'm shocked that they honestly believe this to be a scandal. 6000eliot May 2014 #33
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