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61. Ever heard of Chechnya?

Reply to newthinking (Reply #47)

Sat May 3, 2014, 08:48 AM

May 2014

Independent estimates put the civilian deaths in Chechnya somewhere around 200,000.

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Ukraine: US condemns Odessa violence as dozens die [View all] okaawhatever May 2014 OP

:( thanks okaa Cha May 2014 #1

I won't *even* say what I think of this... n/t freshwest May 2014 #8

Tweet from Samantha Power, fresh.. Cha May 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking May 2014 #21

Fuck Putin. Cha May 2014 #22

Huh? The post was about the response to the violence in Odessa? newthinking May 2014 #23

Yeah, you butt in on a post of mine to friend that was about putin.. so Fuck Putin. Cha May 2014 #24

Well when you barricade yourself in a building, throwing Molotov's may be a bad idea. EX500rider May 2014 #70

This conflates two totally different things karynnj May 2014 #77

Given what that asshole did to Grozny NuclearDem May 2014 #49

And this is relevant how? JackRiddler May 2014 #56

The elected government of Ukraine didn't go anywere... EX500rider May 2014 #130

You're presenting this as what? JackRiddler May 2014 #55

Is it appropriate for her to Tweet stuff? firesalesman May 2014 #95

She's not about the complexities... JackRiddler May 2014 #107

+1 nt laurent May 2014 #112

Welcome to public diplomacy Recursion May 2014 #123

"It also called on the Ukrainian authorities "to bring all those responsible to justice." Uh, jtuck004 May 2014 #2

The 5 Billion is since 1991 and much of that has gone to agricultural and health programs. We even okaawhatever May 2014 #3

Lol. Yeah, I heard that too. n/t jtuck004 May 2014 #31

+1 n/t LarryNM May 2014 #5

Do some better research. NuclearDem May 2014 #50

"Research" is not reprinting self-justifying press releases. former9thward May 2014 #51

Five billion over twenty years is not paying for the Maidan coup. NuclearDem May 2014 #53

You've "no doubt that the West was involved." JackRiddler May 2014 #57

Absolutely not. Neither do I support making patently bogus claims. NuclearDem May 2014 #58

Agreed, that $5 billion is a misrepresentation JackRiddler May 2014 #60

No argument from me on that point. NuclearDem May 2014 #66

Why are we involved in this at all? We seem to be everywhere, and everywhere we are sabrina 1 May 2014 #114

"Why are we involved in this at all?" NuclearDem May 2014 #116

The liberal St Pete Times (now Tampa Bay Times)... EX500rider May 2014 #131

Too bad you did not link to this "research". former9thward May 2014 #145

They run Politifact...very trust worthy in my mind EX500rider May 2014 #146

And you assume Politifact nyabingi May 2014 #67

If you can find a source that claims otherwise NuclearDem May 2014 #68

What's considered a "conspiracy website" is truly nyabingi May 2014 #108

Already read it. Means nothing, just one more two-bit opinion. We have been funneling money to lots jtuck004 May 2014 #73

Assumptions. NuclearDem May 2014 #76

With us or against us. Always been that way, always will be. Only the naive and simplistic think jtuck004 May 2014 #87

Thank you, Mr. Bush. NuclearDem May 2014 #88

"My research is just fine, don't need to rely on paid for opinions of hacks to get an understanding" EX500rider May 2014 #132

Perhaps. Or perhaps you are overestimating your intra-group agreement. jtuck004 May 2014 #134

perhaps you don't want the USA to be an ally & member of the (fantastic!)EU but I do AND Sunlei May 2014 #52

You don't know a single thing about what I want. But what I don't want are warmongering assholes jtuck004 May 2014 #72

sorry to upset you. But I like when America has global friends. Sunlei May 2014 #74

"Both sides" were not throwing bombs. newthinking May 2014 #4

Look at those terrifying fascists. joshcryer May 2014 #7

Yes they made moltovs then rushed the building and burned it while people were in it newthinking May 2014 #12

That's mob behavior and I don't condone it. joshcryer May 2014 #27

Sure. Igel May 2014 #69

Can you provide a link to the "nationality stats"? newthinking May 2014 #85

You identify with pretty woman who made weapons that burned 38 people alive? newthinking May 2014 #16

If Cliven Bundy took the Clark County Court House... joshcryer May 2014 #26

There were some police that had the armbands. Not *all* police did newthinking May 2014 #35

Wouldn't that dissuade others? joshcryer May 2014 #36

You don't get it yet. It is a reign of terror. newthinking May 2014 #38

Um, they did resist Right Sector. joshcryer May 2014 #39

They aren't actively sought. That's propaganda bs newthinking May 2014 #40

Moving away from Right Sector = being Right Sector. joshcryer May 2014 #41

"You don't get it yet. It is a reign of terror." yes it is.. EX500rider May 2014 #133

What if Cliven Bundy took Kiev? JackRiddler May 2014 #59

No they didn't. joshcryer May 2014 #90

"Largely" peaceful. JackRiddler May 2014 #96

Which side had more casulties? joshcryer May 2014 #100

So if Putin handed out some cookies in Crimea... JackRiddler May 2014 #104

it seems you care more about cupcakes than AK-47s joshcryer May 2014 #111

I care about covert operations. JackRiddler May 2014 #113

I support internationalism. joshcryer May 2014 #115

You confuse international crime with internationalism. JackRiddler May 2014 #125

Aid is not criminal. joshcryer May 2014 #127

We differ, sir. JackRiddler May 2014 #138

I would have been fine with it. joshcryer May 2014 #139

Your categories are ludicrously general. JackRiddler May 2014 #141

It doesn't matter. joshcryer May 2014 #142

"Beating up leftists" Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #103

Sometimes fascists don't actually look scary. Sometimes it looks like a cultural celebration. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #32

Look at those mobs, thousands of them, even! joshcryer May 2014 #37

Find me 500 celebrating the SS openly in the street...nt Jesus Malverde May 2014 #42

One need only look to Russia for that. joshcryer May 2014 #43

Celebrating the SS in Russia? Jesus Malverde May 2014 #44

Yes indeed. joshcryer May 2014 #45

False equivilence since this OP is about the massacre newthinking May 2014 #47

Ever heard of Chechnya? Adrahil May 2014 #61

And where was the U.S. outrage then? JackRiddler May 2014 #62

So it's OK Since the Bush admin didn't get upset? Adrahil May 2014 #64

The Chechen wars started in the mid-1990s. JackRiddler May 2014 #65

the majority of the civilian deaths happened in the Bush years... Adrahil May 2014 #93

It was pretty consistent? joshcryer May 2014 #94

Putin is a nationalist, no doubt. King_Rat May 2014 #80

I am an anti-fascist, Putin is not. joshcryer May 2014 #91

You must be confused. King_Rat May 2014 #101

Um, a sub group doesn't constitute the whole. joshcryer May 2014 #110

Doesn't have to, King_Rat May 2014 #117

They are a minority and marginalized. joshcryer May 2014 #118

Marginalized, eh? King_Rat May 2014 #119

Only attacks on civilians I've seen are from pro-Russia. joshcryer May 2014 #120

Then you are not paying attention. King_Rat May 2014 #121

I distinguish between separatists and civilian. joshcryer May 2014 #122

"turned into a mob by murderers" King_Rat May 2014 #124

Most casualties have been Maidan. joshcryer May 2014 #126

"So yes, Putin is an anti-fascist." EX500rider May 2014 #135

“Orthodox Fascism in Russia” Iterate May 2014 #48

Oh lord. JackRiddler May 2014 #63

Feel free to name a different 28 nation bloc Iterate May 2014 #82

It only expanded to 28 nations recently. JackRiddler May 2014 #84

I've lived and worked in the EU for nearly 20 years, Iterate May 2014 #89

So did I and I'm not impressed with your posts. JackRiddler May 2014 #98

The EU, on balance, isn't violently shit stirring. joshcryer May 2014 #92

"arming thugs..." JackRiddler May 2014 #97

What buildings did Maidan take by force? joshcryer May 2014 #99

Executing people in the middle of nowhere! JackRiddler May 2014 #105

You have a reading problem. joshcryer May 2014 #109

My god, you are living in a fantasy world. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #129

Then the Estonian foreign minister also lives there. JackRiddler May 2014 #136

But What He Actually Said, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #137

There is no evidence that snipers in Kiev... JackRiddler May 2014 #140

The Real 'Default Assumption', Sir, Is That People Shot Are Shot By Their Opponents The Magistrate May 2014 #143

The snipers hit people on both sides. JackRiddler May 2014 #147

No One Denies Some In The Crowds Were Armed, Sir, And Shot At Police by The End The Magistrate May 2014 #148

You did the autopsies, big guy? JackRiddler May 2014 #149

Whatever, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #150

boilerplate & boring JackRiddler May 2014 #151

hear·say [heer-sey] Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #144

Anti-Maiden is a very bad description davidpdx May 2014 #9

they don't prefer russia. They feel close to Russia but they would be fine with federalism newthinking May 2014 #11

That was part of my point about the two who were making moltovs, it's dangerous no matter who's davidpdx May 2014 #25

vcontact (vk.com) is the Slavic version of "Facebook" newthinking May 2014 #29

vKontakte should be known to all by now. Igel May 2014 #71

I certainly don't support it from EITHER side. The Pro-Russian side was lobbing Petrobombs too. NT Adrahil May 2014 #128

There is so many people making judgements that don't know the country newthinking May 2014 #13

Thanks! JackRiddler May 2014 #106

Look again at those people on top of the building Warpy May 2014 #10

Yes of course they did newthinking May 2014 #14

I guess now it's also standard practice to have firearms and shoot people dead Bosonic May 2014 #15

By the way, they have not made a positive identification on that gunman newthinking May 2014 #18

How are you certain they were burned in place? Warpy May 2014 #19

There are videos all over newthinking May 2014 #20

Wait a second... davidpdx May 2014 #30

I stand corrected on that. newthinking May 2014 #33

Newthinking clearly used a poor choice of words in #4 davidpdx May 2014 #28

Here is the video showing Right Sector throwing moltov's newthinking May 2014 #34

It's a mess. It's going to take time to settle down. Warpy May 2014 #6

Over 150 Odesa demonstrators arrested, three criminal inquiries under way dipsydoodle May 2014 #46

Golly what's missing in the front of this article? JackRiddler May 2014 #54

Generally speaking you'll find the ones with RUSSIAN flags.. EX500rider May 2014 #75

But that just could be a false... NuclearDem May 2014 #78

Flag-lovers would agree. JackRiddler May 2014 #81

"Over thru the government" You mean the President hi tailed it out of the country before.. EX500rider May 2014 #86

There was a putsch. laurent May 2014 #154

Your whole "nations don't matter" schtick fails immediately in this situation. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #102

You must not be talking to me... JackRiddler May 2014 #152

No, I'm talking to you. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #153

Uh huh. Sure. JackRiddler May 2014 #155

"throwing petrol bombs" only good thing was someone put ladders up so people could escape the smoke. Sunlei May 2014 #79

what a tragedy Charlos May 2014 #83