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Silent3

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28. Easy
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:32 PM
Mar 2012

The speed of light is roughly 300,000 km/sec. So, imagine two detectors for some type of particle separated by 30 km. You record the time when a short pulse of those particles is detected by the first detector, then the time when that pulse is detected by the second detector.

If the difference in times is greater than 1/10000 of a second, the particles were going slower than light.

If the difference in times is equal to 1/10000 of a second, the particles were going at (or damn near) the speed than light.

If the difference in times is less than 1/10000 of a second... either the particles were going faster than light, or, more likely, you screwed up somewhere.

None of this simple procedure requires any physical object or signal going at or faster than the speed of light as part of the measurement apparatus even though it would be capable of detecting faster-than-light phenomena.

In a real-life experiment the devil is in the details if what you're trying to do is catch a very small difference is speed, like something going just slightly over the speed of light. A seemingly small difference is much more likely to be a calibration problem or procedural error that it is to be the discovery of ground-breaking new physics.

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Still gonna get 67,000,000 points on their drivers licenses. tclambert Mar 2012 #1
DUzy of a post longship Mar 2012 #2
Sooner or later he was bound to get a lucky guess right. bluedigger Mar 2012 #3
More accurately "Einstein Not Proved Wrong in Retest of Neutrinos' Speed" FarCenter Mar 2012 #4
I was just going to post the same thing. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2012 #8
Hardware problem slackmaster Mar 2012 #5
It really christx30 Mar 2012 #6
He had some deficiencies in math. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #13
Einstein = Most over-hyped scientist in history. harun Mar 2012 #7
Are you saying that to elevate others or to bash Einstein? n/t Gore1FL Mar 2012 #9
I think Issac Newton makes the top of that list Exultant Democracy Mar 2012 #20
Nah; "particles" can't travel faster than light. But impulses can. Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #10
But what if your 3 foot pencil were... Ferretherder Mar 2012 #11
Yes it would Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #18
No it wouldn't. harun Mar 2012 #24
Nope. Wrong. The impulse is traveling at the speed of the pencil, no faster. saras Mar 2012 #12
Think again Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #17
Assume (hypothetically) a perfectly rigid pole; as soon as you push one end, the other moves Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #27
Locking itsrobert Mar 2012 #14
"...neutrinos, do not travel faster than light." unkachuck Mar 2012 #15
If entangled particles are mad at you for going out with the guys and getting drunk, tclambert Mar 2012 #16
Entangled particles might communicate by FTL impulses similar to those noted by Woodbridge Goodman Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #19
Think again FiveGoodMen Mar 2012 #21
Can you give an example of an entirely solid object? Or does it only exist in theory? In such a vanbean Mar 2012 #25
How to communicate 100,000 times faster than light; Dr. W. Goodman PhD Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #26
Now, I'm not a fancy pants theoretical physicist (crowd gasps) gratuitous Mar 2012 #22
Easy Silent3 Mar 2012 #28
Though? Light, photons, might be considered "particles," and/or objects. Travelling at speed Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #29
I'm not sure what point you're making Silent3 Mar 2012 #30
No substantive objection to your protocol; thanks for your excellent clarification Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #31
CERN davidhaslanded Mar 2012 #23
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