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In reply to the discussion: Ukraine: US condemns Odessa violence as dozens die [View all]King_Rat
(26 posts)80. Putin is a nationalist, no doubt.
But there is also no doubt that the people characterized as 'nationalists' by the West are Nazis. Surely not the whole or even a majority of the people in Maiden, who were deluded liberals and other discontented, but they were the shock force responsible for the violence. They parlayed this into cabinet seats, some of the most powerful ministries. Not the whole coup government yet but the 800 lb gorilla in that room. Their Right Sektor and Svoboda fighters have been incorporated en masse into the new National Guard because the Ukranian Army has little interest in being involved in a fight with the people or Russia. Some of these thugs have recieved training in Poland on somebody's dime. Rumor has it that elements within the Ukranian Army are in touch with Russia...
Yes, there're fascists in Russia, like everywhere the vile crud on the boots of capitalist society. But they are not the government, as opposed to Kiev. Do you know no history? Twenty-Five million dead, how do you think all but the most deranged Russian feels about that? How they think about a Nazi regime on their border? In this case nationalism is self defense.
So yes, Putin is an anti-fascist. Are you?
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Yeah, you butt in on a post of mine to friend that was about putin.. so Fuck Putin.
Cha
May 2014
#24
Well when you barricade yourself in a building, throwing Molotov's may be a bad idea.
EX500rider
May 2014
#70
"It also called on the Ukrainian authorities "to bring all those responsible to justice." Uh,
jtuck004
May 2014
#2
The 5 Billion is since 1991 and much of that has gone to agricultural and health programs. We even
okaawhatever
May 2014
#3
Why are we involved in this at all? We seem to be everywhere, and everywhere we are
sabrina 1
May 2014
#114
Already read it. Means nothing, just one more two-bit opinion. We have been funneling money to lots
jtuck004
May 2014
#73
With us or against us. Always been that way, always will be. Only the naive and simplistic think
jtuck004
May 2014
#87
"My research is just fine, don't need to rely on paid for opinions of hacks to get an understanding"
EX500rider
May 2014
#132
perhaps you don't want the USA to be an ally & member of the (fantastic!)EU but I do AND
Sunlei
May 2014
#52
You don't know a single thing about what I want. But what I don't want are warmongering assholes
jtuck004
May 2014
#72
Yes they made moltovs then rushed the building and burned it while people were in it
newthinking
May 2014
#12
You identify with pretty woman who made weapons that burned 38 people alive?
newthinking
May 2014
#16
Sometimes fascists don't actually look scary. Sometimes it looks like a cultural celebration.
Jesus Malverde
May 2014
#32
The Real 'Default Assumption', Sir, Is That People Shot Are Shot By Their Opponents
The Magistrate
May 2014
#143
No One Denies Some In The Crowds Were Armed, Sir, And Shot At Police by The End
The Magistrate
May 2014
#148
they don't prefer russia. They feel close to Russia but they would be fine with federalism
newthinking
May 2014
#11
That was part of my point about the two who were making moltovs, it's dangerous no matter who's
davidpdx
May 2014
#25
I certainly don't support it from EITHER side. The Pro-Russian side was lobbing Petrobombs too. NT
Adrahil
May 2014
#128
"Over thru the government" You mean the President hi tailed it out of the country before..
EX500rider
May 2014
#86
Your whole "nations don't matter" schtick fails immediately in this situation.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#102