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Diclotican

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11. newthinking
Sun May 4, 2014, 07:57 PM
May 2014

newthinking

The history of Russia is a complex one - maybe one of the most complex histories of a nation there is - mostly because it is so many minorities in Russia - in Soviet times they had 160 different minorities with right and duties to the Union - I'm not sure about how many minorities there is officially in the Federation - but I'm pretty sure it is close to the numbers back in the days of the Soviet Union - and many of them want different level of self-dependence from the Kremlin - some want just to be able to live where they ancestors have lived for hundreds of years - living of the land as they did before - some want outright independence from Russia - many of the republics in the Caucasus region have separatists that want independence from Russia - some with legal ways of doing it - others with violence and outright war with the russian army - Tsjetsjenia is one of the nations who have had a few wars with Russia the last 25 years - and also have a bloody history when it come to repressive politics in Russia... In 1944-45 Stalin relocated most of the tsjetnian population to Siberia by train carts - because it was rumored that they had worked with the germans or that they supported the idea of a german occupying of the Caucasus region under the war - for most of them it was a nightmare as they had to leave everything they once owned behind - for a rather unpleasant future in the Siberian as they had nothing - and was also kept under surveillance to after Stalin was dead - and most of them was allowed back in the late 1950s, the early 1960s... To a whole different place, where they had to rebuild their old life from scratch - not everyone was happy about it - but could not do anything about it - until the early 1990s when USSR broke up - and most of the former Soviet Union was on their own - even the parts who was part of the Russian Federation.. Extremist, like the Islamics who plagued, and still is a plague for Caucasus was born out of the ashes of the Soviet Union - and was doing its best to serve the links to Russia - both intern, but also to the other republics who was part of Russia - but who had few contacts with it, as russia have more than enough with keeping it all together in the 1990s...


The Tartars have had a rather bloody history them self - once they was the frontier of the Ottoman Empire - and was fighting the russians rather brutally and was also plundering outlying russian settlements every years - plundering their property - and take slaves to get back to the Ottoman Empire - to sell and get some money... Tartars was also splendid military forces - and in the age when a soldier of a horseback was the winner - the Tartars had absolutely a dominant player in this region - but as time was going - and the old Ottoman Empire was breaking up at the seams - and the Russian Empire was taking the land as their own - the tartars ended up as minorities in their own areas - and also to be used in the 1800s, and early 1900s as russian soldiers - mostly in areas where the Tartars could do a splendid hit and run attack against the enemy - or against minorities - like the jews in the western part of what is today a part of Ukraine - but then was part of the Russian parts of Poland (Until 1917 Poland was dominated and split between Germany and Russia) And many jews had to flee - to germany, Austria and other places - where theirs culture and traditions was some of a shock for even the western jews.... It was a mess - going from bad to worse - specially after antisemitism got in the way...

Russia is in a mess this days - and have possible been that for a long time to be honest- the last year have been trouble some for Putin - mostly because not everything have going the way of Putin - the economy is not that strong as believed - and the difference between the rich and the poor is as appalling as ever - and on every level of the soiticy you have to bribe someone to get things going... Putin might have build up the proudness of Russia after the 1990s who was a mess for Russia - but he have yet to make Russia is State who can stand on its own - without any strongman in power... And he have, at least for now being playing the nationalistic card for everything it is worth - and to be honest - doing it the smart way - but I'm not sure if Putin is in control anymore -it looks like his own word have coming back to bite him now....


Extremist - that be muslims - or christians is always a bad idea - they look at things in black and white - and have no idea how to work to look at the gray areas too.... But then again I think americans might look at its own problems, who is large, and is growing larger day for day, rather than point fingers to Russia ...

Diclotican

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surprise there Duckhunter935 May 2014 #1
Well yeah, but...Trail of Tears. NuclearDem May 2014 #2
Bosonic Diclotican May 2014 #3
That area of Crimea is predominantly "Russian". So "Russians" have treated them well since the USSR newthinking May 2014 #5
newthinking Diclotican May 2014 #8
I agree it is very complex newthinking May 2014 #9
newthinking Diclotican May 2014 #11
Yeah, since 1944. OilemFirchen May 2014 #10
The Tatars were a minority of less than 20% in the Crimea before Stalins deportations. independentpiney May 2014 #12
A cite would be useful. OilemFirchen May 2014 #13
http://www.iccrimea.org/scholarly/jopohl.html independentpiney May 2014 #15
One quarter does not a minority make. OilemFirchen May 2014 #18
A large minority is still a minority nt independentpiney May 2014 #21
Not demographically. OilemFirchen May 2014 #22
And the ancestors of the Tatars wiped Greece and Kyiv rus from the areas before them newthinking May 2014 #16
And Hulk Hogan was a girl before his gonads dropped. OilemFirchen May 2014 #19
Yes, SINCE the USSR. (nt) PosterChild May 2014 #14
In the interim, a mandatory yellow star would help with identification. (n/t) OilemFirchen May 2014 #4
I would not be so quick to pass it off as not so complex. There was more going on newthinking May 2014 #6
Prosecutors Warn Crimean Tatars Over 'Extremism' Amid Protests Bosonic May 2014 #7
Some reports go even further. Igel May 2014 #17
So, they don't believe in secular leadership. They are only interested in their religious one. n/t freshwest May 2014 #20
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