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JackRiddler

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38. The CIA is not a Sunday school...
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:02 PM
May 2014

It is a criminal organization that easily matches Putin in terms of the crimes committed worldwide.

The role of the U.S. government would not be to provide "counter action" to Russian machinations. That would imply the U.S. government should be involved in every conflict and every issue everywhere in the world.

The U.S. government's only legitimate role is to enact the will of We the People. It is not for a group of geostrategists to decide our "interests" (inevitably: the interests of their class) on our behalf, without a democratic and public debate. When were we asked if we wanted a secret CIA-State Department action to help overthrow the government of Ukraine? When were we asked if we should be allied with Ukrainian ethno-nationalists who want to deprive ethnic Russians of their equal rights in the Ukrainian state?

In this case, of course, the U.S. government is not providing "counter action." It participated in instigating a coup d'etat against the democratic government of the Ukraine. It's the Russian side that has engaged in counter action.

Who is putting sanctions on the U.S. oligarchs? That is what Americans should be interested in, since it's not the Russian oligarchs who stole hundreds of billions of dollars from Americans and got away with it. The Russian oligarchs are very bad guys, but it's for Russians to overthrow them. We have an equivalent problem here with our own oligarchs. The U.S. government let Wall Street rape and pillage the planet (with millions of real victims - famines and many other horrors included) and then rewarded the Wall Street criminals. If the U.S. govt wants to talk about distant Russian oligarchs, it should first gain moral standing -- by rounding up the American oligarchs, instead of letting them run this country.

We have higher priorities than instigating and getting involved in a Ukrainian quagmire. That's realism.

The actual "Sunday School" is the one run by fundamentalists of aggressive foreign policy, who would squander our energies and wealth on yet another foreign involvement that messes up real interests of the American 99% and benefits only a tiny class in the U.S.

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Oh, that's just peachy...... ballyhoo May 2014 #1
We just can't stop pscot May 2014 #2
When you have the worlds largest hammer, everything looks like a nail..nt Jesus Malverde May 2014 #61
advising. Yep that's the ticket Autumn May 2014 #3
Dog bless the CIA! RufusTFirefly May 2014 #4
You know what the FBI could be doing right now? Ash_F May 2014 #5
They can't do that. There's too many NSA ballyhoo May 2014 #13
^^^^This^^^^ Jesus Malverde May 2014 #34
Actually, there is probably a better chance of human trafficking and financial crimes being reduced okaawhatever May 2014 #41
makes me very suspicious on how hopemountain May 2014 #42
The silence on this thread from some of the more outspoken anti-Russian DU'ers independentpiney May 2014 #6
Two questions... PosterChild May 2014 #10
There are some here Duckhunter935 May 2014 #15
Who? newthinking May 2014 #20
I will not point out members Duckhunter935 May 2014 #22
I think you are a bit too generous... PosterChild May 2014 #27
Two answers... independentpiney May 2014 #24
First... PosterChild May 2014 #29
And I am sure Russia Duckhunter935 May 2014 #14
In no way would either justify the other. JackRiddler May 2014 #17
that is correct Duckhunter935 May 2014 #18
You really believe that is not happening in the rest of Ukraine? newthinking May 2014 #26
Oh yes I know it is happening Duckhunter935 May 2014 #32
Nice Image salad. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #50
Yeah, what the hell was that? JackRiddler May 2014 #54
Technically it's called thread Jacking... Jesus Malverde May 2014 #55
Putin doesn't listen to Sunday school sermons.... PosterChild May 2014 #31
The CIA is not a Sunday school... JackRiddler May 2014 #38
The CIA is certinally NOT a Sunday School.... PosterChild May 2014 #62
Oh no, thought crime! Help! JackRiddler May 2014 #63
Thought crime? or... PosterChild May 2014 #64
Vietnam, Iraq, Chile, Indonesia... JackRiddler May 2014 #66
I agree with this. newthinking May 2014 #21
I have no doubt Russia has people in the East independentpiney May 2014 #33
Please do not forget Duckhunter935 May 2014 #35
Russification of the Crimea began in the 1800s independentpiney May 2014 #37
That sounds like westward expansion in North America daleo May 2014 #65
Ever since they saw their comrades burn people to death. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #25
Good for the USA to help the Ukrainian gov with intel. Now YOU answer for Putin's "help" uhnope May 2014 #40
+10,000 nt okaawhatever May 2014 #59
I'm not anti-Russian but I disapprove of their actions in Ukraine and the Crimea and am very okaawhatever May 2014 #47
a reasonable and educated response uhnope May 2014 #52
Counter FSB actions, no doubt. joshcryer May 2014 #7
If the FSB is there, you'll never ballyhoo May 2014 #9
Indeed, Putin would never allow such a leak. joshcryer May 2014 #12
Our media talks about everything endlessly. They are pretty much ballyhoo May 2014 #16
Heh, RT / FOX News = ministry of truth. joshcryer May 2014 #23
Yes. That's no doubt true. I get my news ballyhoo May 2014 #28
They said they were increasing their presence, since they felt their influence was inadequate muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #43
Okay. Thanks. I'll look at it. Why was it mentioned again ballyhoo May 2014 #46
Good (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #8
About time! (nt) PosterChild May 2014 #11
I hope they can help Duckhunter935 May 2014 #19
*HECK* of a job, brownie!1 n/t UTUSN May 2014 #30
FBI doesn't have awesome military capability. Igel May 2014 #36
FBI not interested in prosecuting corruption. JackRiddler May 2014 #39
Apparently some never heard of J edgar, cointelpro, and fred hampton. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #51
One of Ukraine's biggest problems is organized crime and corruption. Any government they have okaawhatever May 2014 #48
It is equally one of the U.S.'s biggest problems. JackRiddler May 2014 #53
Reality much? nt okaawhatever May 2014 #56
Plenty. JackRiddler May 2014 #58
Maybe Iraq and Afghanistan has helped the FBI in that regard jakeXT May 2014 #60
And most people realize they've been in there all along... reformist2 May 2014 #44
Indeed they have. King_Rat May 2014 #45
Obvious is obvious. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #49
The Ukrainian government needs advising, that's for sure. EmilyAnne May 2014 #57
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