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bemildred

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7. NEW - Ukraine needs a diplomatic, not military, solution
Mon May 5, 2014, 09:41 AM
May 2014
If you want to know what I think, this is what I think, although this fellow says it better than I would.

Brush aside both the Kremlin and Kiev propaganda machines: In a de-facto state of Cold War, both of them are respectively biased and non-objective. The Russian one has a single task now - to mobilize Russian public opinion in support of Kremlin's Ukrainian policy. That's what journalists are paid for, and that's how they earn their wages. Kiev’s mass-media are a distorted mirroring replica today, with one difference: The events they cover are happening in Ukraine, NOT Russia. Therefore, every word they drop has much more of direct implication on what happens on the ground.

One of the most horrible mistakes the regime in Kiev (supported by Ukrainian mass media) is doing now is introducing into the public psyche two opposing and confronting cliches: "pro-Russian separatists = terrorists," and "pro-Ukrainian activists" ( meaning "kind of the right guys&quot .

What would it mean in a country like Ukraine?

Let's look at facts, not cliches. As of 2013, roughly 20 percent of the Ukrainian population (a total of 45 million people at the time) declared themselves ethnically Russian - that gives us roughly 9 million people. After centuries of living in the same country (first the Russian Empire, then the USSR) many more are an ethnically-mixed Ukrainian-Russian "blend," with varying self-identification choices, which brings the so-called "Russian or pro-Russian" population to unknown dimensions.

After Crimea's departure, the total population of Ukraine supposedly dropped to 43 million - still leaving at least around 8 million ethnic Russians in mainland Ukraine.

http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/34820/

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Heavy fighting after Ukrainian forces ambushed on edge of Slaviansk-minister bemildred May 2014 #1
Pro-Russia Splinter State Issues Call to Arms in Eastern Ukraine bemildred May 2014 #2
Fighting in east Ukraine kills 4 troops, wounds 30 bemildred May 2014 #3
An Interesting Round-Up, Sir: Thank You The Magistrate May 2014 #5
Ukrainian troops clash with pro-Russia militia in gun battles around Slavyansk bemildred May 2014 #4
Ukraine moving police special forces to control Odessa bemildred May 2014 #6
So Kiev is losing the west part of the country too, Jesus Malverde May 2014 #20
It's not clear yet. bemildred May 2014 #23
The truth is plain to see on Youtube... Jesus Malverde May 2014 #26
I see a lot of cognitive disconnect. Binary thinking will do that to you. bemildred May 2014 #28
NEW - Ukraine needs a diplomatic, not military, solution bemildred May 2014 #7
It May Need One, Sir, But It Will Not Get One The Magistrate May 2014 #8
Too late for that. Too much damage ballyhoo May 2014 #11
If you read it, that's what he says: partition is inevitable now, and then the consequences bemildred May 2014 #12
Yeah. My bad. I can't read stuff ballyhoo May 2014 #13
No, I don't think so. bemildred May 2014 #14
And Here You Put Your Finger On The Problem, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #15
Yes, but doesn't this point to Russia's becoming ballyhoo May 2014 #16
Perhaps if you clarify what you mean about two plans? bemildred May 2014 #17
One plan was a disguised invasion, where invasion ballyhoo May 2014 #18
Invasion has always been on the table. bemildred May 2014 #19
Okay. I am not as sanguine as you ballyhoo May 2014 #21
Oh, they are calling for help now, they have been. It's not secret. bemildred May 2014 #22
Yes, well, this I don't like. I think ballyhoo May 2014 #24
I'm not happy either. bemildred May 2014 #25
Well, State, should bring ballyhoo May 2014 #27
Did Catherina discuss with you "unprincipled fucktard liberals"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #32
Not posting, Carcetti... ballyhoo May 2014 #35
Warning Of Nuclear War, Sir, Is As Outlandish As the Rest Of Your Ouvre.... The Magistrate May 2014 #37
I'm thinking The Guardian might have been onto something. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #40
It would not be the first time, but I don't believe she ever did. bemildred May 2014 #38
Did she tell you about "unprincipled fucktard liberals"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #33
Interesting find, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #36
She was quite the charmer. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #39
I'm pretty tired of the.. sendero May 2014 #34
Ukraine: Helicopter Shot Down Over Slavyansk bemildred May 2014 #9
Ukraine denies military operation amid reported clashes bemildred May 2014 #10
Interfax Ukraine coveys differently dipsydoodle May 2014 #29
Yes, I think she is catching up. nt bemildred May 2014 #31
Residents of eastern Ukraine cities struggle to go on with life bemildred May 2014 #30
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