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muriel_volestrangler

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79. It's disgusting to see "Dems are as bad as Republicans" and "Russians were defending themselves"
Mon May 5, 2014, 03:59 PM
May 2014

on DU. Both are lies. Neither would come from a Democrat.

International observers? You remember this sub-thread was about the European far right supporting Putin? They were the observers that his troops allowed in:

National electoral authorities were not allowed to play a role organizing the vote, or to contest its outcome. No national or objective international monitors were allowed to observe conditions of the referendum.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-l-phillips/crimeas-technically-flawe_b_4992908.html


European right-wing extremists and other pro-Russian activists "observed" the Crimean "referendum"

The illegitimate "referendum" in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was held in this Ukrainian region at the gunpoint of Russian occupation forces on 16 March. Supported by the pariah states such as North Korea and Assad's Syria, yet strongly defied by the EU, USA, Canada and other states, the Crimean "referendum" was, however, hailed as "fair" and "legitimate" by a number of European "election monitors" who have been hired by dubious European structures and who have clear links to the extreme right, far left, and pro-Russian organisations/companies.

The main organisation which invited the "observers" to monitor the Crimean "referendum" is the Eurasian Observatory For Democracy & Elections (EODE). It is headed by Luc Michel (1958) and Jean-Pierre Vandersmissen (???). Both are followers of the major Belgian collaborationist and neo-Nazi Jean-François Thiriart and members of the extreme right Parti Communautaire National-Européen (PCN-NCP).

Johannes Hübner (1956), member of the radical right-wing populist Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ).
Ewald Johann Stadler (1961), former member of the FPÖ, current member of the radical right-wing populist Alliance for the Future of Austria (BZÖ).
Frank Creyelman (1961), former member of the extreme right Vlaams Blok, current member of the extreme right Vlaams Belang.
Luc Michel (1958), former member of the neo-Nazi Fédération d'action nationale et européenne (FANE), current member of the extreme right Parti Communautaire National-Européen (PCN-NCP).
Pavel Chernev (1969), member of the extreme right Ataka party.
Erkki Johan Bäckman (1971), neo-Stalinist who does not recognise Estonia and Latvia as states. Banned from teaching at the University of Helsinki for distorting the history of the Baltic states.
Aymeric Chauprade (1969), member of the radical right-wing populist National Front, adviser on international issues.

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/news/featured-news/european-right-wing-extremists-and-other-pro-russian-activists-observed-the-crimean-referendum

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And here's RT's version: Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #1
Thank you for providing both sides version of this situation, Comrade G. Purveyor May 2014 #5
Probably about 45-50 dead in total Bosonic May 2014 #2
Damn it. NuclearDem May 2014 #3
Looks like Obama, Kerry, McCain and nyabingi May 2014 #4
What on earth are you talking about? NuclearDem May 2014 #6
I stated a while back nyabingi May 2014 #16
You don't think Putin order Ukrainian military into UKRAINE? Jesus freaking Christ. nt EmilyAnne May 2014 #18
Umm, Putin is the president of the Russian Federation nyabingi May 2014 #51
Oh, is he? Gee, I had no idea. EmilyAnne May 2014 #55
So Russia has had absolutely no role in escalating tensions in the east? NuclearDem May 2014 #20
If the US hadn't installed anti-Russian, pro-Western nyabingi May 2014 #49
No it likely wouldn't have, at least as it did. That's called blowback. NuclearDem May 2014 #52
Up until now, Russia has definitely wanted to nyabingi May 2014 #61
there was not a coup Duckhunter935 May 2014 #54
Well if that wasn't the NYT/FOX News version of events lol! nyabingi May 2014 #57
show me were his life was being threatened? Duckhunter935 May 2014 #59
Your source to me, ABC News, is about as nyabingi May 2014 #62
So, you've been busy today leftynyc May 2014 #80
OK go back and find everything I've posted nyabingi May 2014 #81
True, Sir: Makes A Window-Pane Look Opaque By Compare.... The Magistrate May 2014 #83
Amen to that, Magistrate leftynyc May 2014 #84
This is a person who believes that Ukraine is controlled by Right Sector. EmilyAnne May 2014 #22
This is really getting old. NuclearDem May 2014 #24
Right Sector are their homegrown militia, their shock troops to nyabingi May 2014 #50
+1 nt laurent May 2014 #60
Pretty sure this is what Putin wants. joshcryer May 2014 #9
If Putin wanted to send those 40,000 troops nyabingi May 2014 #14
No, he said he wouldn't unless Russians were killed. joshcryer May 2014 #19
The Kiev government was supposed to nyabingi May 2014 #25
The problem is dipsydoodle May 2014 #27
You realize the 8 pro-Ukraine people were shot? joshcryer May 2014 #32
That was in context with the Geneva agreement. dipsydoodle May 2014 #34
Sure, but both sides can use home made stuff. joshcryer May 2014 #41
This: NuclearDem May 2014 #23
I didn't see Russians nyabingi May 2014 #26
consider yourself now slightly more edumacated Bosonic May 2014 #28
They're a little busy launching a pogrom against their LGBT community. NuclearDem May 2014 #29
What on earth? Fascists are a HUGE presence in Russia. EmilyAnne May 2014 #30
There are neo-Nazis all over the world EmilyAnne, nyabingi May 2014 #46
Well, bless your heart. You said the exact thing. EmilyAnne May 2014 #53
I never said there weren't neo-Nazis in Russia nyabingi May 2014 #56
The real issue is that Russia's fascists back Putin as do fascists throughout Europe. pampango May 2014 #65
The far-right parties of the EU oppose the EU just as Putin does, nyabingi May 2014 #68
No, the far right EU parties are supporting Putin muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #69
I checked out the EU Observer nyabingi May 2014 #70
Yes, far-right support for Putin is more sinister and worthy of condemnation muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #71
It Does Not Surprise Me Much, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #72
You support American imperial aggression nyabingi May 2014 #74
It was Russia that took control of Crimea with its troops, not the USA muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #75
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #76
Invading a country and then organising a referendum in the section you've taken muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #78
It's disgusting to see "Dems are as bad as Republicans" and "Russians were defending themselves" muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #79
dumb statement to post. olddad56 May 2014 #13
What's dumb about it? nyabingi May 2014 #17
Yes, it shows how the poster has an agenda but no fucking knowledge. Cha May 2014 #43
You seem rather belligerent Cha nyabingi May 2014 #47
In the absence of a compelling narrative. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #82
Sad but true nyabingi May 2014 #85
accusing President Obama of wanting bloodshed is disgusting nt arely staircase May 2014 #36
Obama expanded the Bush era drone program nyabingi May 2014 #48
again, disgusting arely staircase May 2014 #58
Awful hard to take the "bloodthirsty" talk seriously NuclearDem May 2014 #64
It's apparent that the new leaders in Kiev nyabingi May 2014 #67
You have no idea wtf you're talking about.. keep digging. Cha May 2014 #42
Ukraine Clashes: Dozens Reported Dead After Odessa Building Fire Purveyor May 2014 #7
Fuck. It's hard to see how it ends in anything but huge violence after that muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #8
By design, I predicted this months ago. joshcryer May 2014 #11
dupe joshcryer May 2014 #12
Blame outsiders, that's how. Igel May 2014 #63
This is a major escalation. I think the current version of Ukraine is about to become history. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #10
There aren't enough ethnic Russian for a breakaway. joshcryer May 2014 #15
With massive violence, and Russian troops in the east and south muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #21
I don't see it, too many ethnic Ukrainians. joshcryer May 2014 #31
Not sure where 88% comes from muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #33
Crimea is no longer part of Ukraine. joshcryer May 2014 #39
I thought we were talking about the provinces Russian was likely to take over muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #44
Ahh, that's only 3% off my figure. joshcryer May 2014 #45
Perhaps ethnicity isn't all there is to it. King_Rat May 2014 #66
+1,000,000 cosmicone May 2014 #37
dozens dead after Odessa building fire Jesus Malverde May 2014 #35
This is what Putin wants. I'm sure he's smiling with delight. TwilightGardener May 2014 #40
well that's it arely staircase May 2014 #38
SBU Claims to Have Seized Radioactive Materials Iterate May 2014 #73
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