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joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
14. Pretty sure Yanukovych just wanted to get re-elected.
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:29 AM
May 2014

He saw the EU deal wasn't the best and if he accepted it Russia would drop the gas subsidy and screw Ukraine over, that's a no win right there.

Yanukovych could have taken the EU deal with a modification clause, telling Russia that he would find a compromise solution for Russia's side of things. The biggest problem for Russia is that the EU trade deal had more than just "we'll buy and sell you stuff" it require Ukraine to start standardizing on a whole host of trade issues.

* Revamping their agriculture systems to meet EU standards (whoops, the oligarchs don't like that one, can't have the agriculture sector scrutinized and improved).
* Setting up transaction services in compliance with EU standards (whoops, the oligarchs don't like that one, can't have transactions monitored and audited).
* Requiring that Ukraine follow EU intellectual property laws (whoops, the oligarchs can't allow intellectual property laws to be respected).

The DCFTA put a wrench into Russia's Eurasia agenda, if they then went to Ukraine, after it passed, and said, "Hey, we'll give you a several billion dollar loan if you do a trade deal with us" then Ukraine would say "well, we'll do it, but it has to meet the constraints of the DCFTA, so we can't have unsanitary agriculture, if we trade it has to be on a transaction service compliant with EU standards, etc."

I blame Russia, not the EU or the US for the failure to make a trilateral agreement.

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I think it's between econmic ties to EU/US/NATO or Russia/Eurasia. joshcryer May 2014 #1
The general background re. economic ties was as follows. dipsydoodle May 2014 #5
Putin wanted the EU talks stopped. joshcryer May 2014 #6
Russia only supplies gas at preferential terms to CIS member states. dipsydoodle May 2014 #7
Pretty sure Yanukovych just wanted to get re-elected. joshcryer May 2014 #14
Wasn't so much "the EU deal wasn't the best" dipsydoodle May 2014 #16
IMF is giving 17 billion. joshcryer May 2014 #29
Confirmation here from Nov. 27th 2013. dipsydoodle May 2014 #30
So they sign a trade agreement with a bankrupt country? joshcryer May 2014 #31
There is a paradox dipsydoodle May 2014 #32
Fair enough. joshcryer May 2014 #33
Comparisons with Greece are difficult. dipsydoodle May 2014 #37
BBC: Pro-Russia rebel vote to go ahead pampango May 2014 #2
800,000 #referendum ballot papers destroyed by fire joshcryer May 2014 #3
Well once accidents like that start happening you have to question whether it's going to be rigged davidpdx May 2014 #4
No Question, Sir: A Vote Under Present Conditions In the East is A Rigged Vote The Magistrate May 2014 #8
That's what the referendum will show. Igel May 2014 #27
This Obviously Makes Hash Of The 'Go Putin!' Cheer-Leaders' Position, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #9
Poll: Most Ukrainians support full or partial refusal of gas purchases from Russia dipsydoodle May 2014 #10
People Often Answer a Different Question Than the One They Are Asked, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #11
Yes but come the winter they might conclude dipsydoodle May 2014 #12
Possibly, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #13
Putin certainly likes leveraging that one. joshcryer May 2014 #15
Ah I see... Adrahil May 2014 #19
Not particularly. dipsydoodle May 2014 #20
OK, but.... Adrahil May 2014 #21
Its not so much I don't have a harsh word for Russia - dipsydoodle May 2014 #22
Welp, it is. But for the people living there, this is DEADLY serious. NT Adrahil May 2014 #23
I sympaphise with their population dipsydoodle May 2014 #24
Ukraine a nuisance for being leveraged by Russia. joshcryer May 2014 #28
On the subject of gas dipsydoodle May 2014 #17
I suspect they're going to see if Russia charges market rate. joshcryer May 2014 #34
Worth noting though dipsydoodle May 2014 #35
No doubt Russia is going to get paid. joshcryer May 2014 #38
'Last time Ukraine played up and... supply ceased... German industrial production fell by 25%...' freshwest May 2014 #39
From January this year : dipsydoodle May 2014 #40
Don't hang your hat on that Telegraph piece -it's terribly biased Iterate May 2014 #41
If the people of Northern Maine wanted to break away and become part of Quebec, Nye Bevan May 2014 #18
You changed the title of the story Jemon May 2014 #25
When He Posted It early This Morning, Sir, It was The Right Headline The Magistrate May 2014 #26
Something's going down in Mariupol Bosonic May 2014 #36
They have worked for decades towards their full EU membership. Putin didn't want that!! Sunlei May 2014 #42
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