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happyslug

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44. Mankind is a SOCIAL ANIMAL and as such we develop law to decides disputes within society.
Thu May 8, 2014, 05:40 PM
May 2014

Different societies have adopted different rules. Many societies tries to justify their rules with religion. i.e. tries to get everyone to accept those rules.

In Islamic Societies, the leaders of the society are the religious leaders. Even Islam tries to retain traditional rules of any society that turns Islamic, thus in Islamic Societies it is the Religious leaders that are the Judges of that Society.

We in the West have a long history of Religion and Secular society being separate and apart. This concept goes back to the Roman Empire, but did not extend much beyond that Empire till the Christian Churches took that concept to the rest of Europe and into North America.

Islam has ALWAYS rejected the concept that religion and the rest of society are two different things. Thus an Islamic Judge is also a Secular Judge. Such a Judge decides both issues or religion and any other part of society. In this case, under the law applicable to this victim she was subject to a canning. That is INDEPENDENT of the crime of Rape. You may disagree with it, but it was and is the LAW in that part of the world and the Victim knew it.

The Judge's statements as to the Rape, also reflects the law in that part of the World. i.e. each of the rapist MUST be punished, and such a punishment must be worse then the canning the victim was sentences to.

Now, please note, Sharia law also permits settlements of Criminal sentences by Civil Payments. This also was the rule as late as the 1700s in England. People accused of crimes in England, could agree to pay back what they stole from the proceeds of the indenture servitude they agreed to serve in the New World. It was when to many people were opting for such an alternative that actual punishment was imposed on criminals.

This is still the norm within most Islamic and other Traditional cultures. The Religious leaders generally work out a compromise between the Defendant and the Plaintiff, using the threat of the sentence to work out a deal. The Sentence is part of the process, not the end result of the process.

That is how most traditional societies work, compromise as work through the religious leaders. I suspect that is going on in this case, and why the Judge made the comment that the Rapists should be punished more. Sounds like an inter-family dispute, probably involving not only her family, but her husband's family, whoever was the man she admitted to have sex with, Family AND his wife's family. Given outside of "Western Society", China, Korea and Japan (and the later three only marginally) most people marry their cousins. Thus some inner-extended family "Politics" is also at work. We may never learned the details, but compromises between the families and branches of families help keep such traditional societies untied.

Will the Woman be canned? Maybe, but I suspect she will NOT be, for her rapists are on notice what they did was worse then was she did. A compromise will be agreed to and settle the accusation of extra marital sex but also the rape. The exact terms we may never hear of, but the Judge's comment indicates he is mad at the rapists and will punish them as far as the law allows.

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All sense of 'tolerance' JustAnotherGen May 2014 #1
Agreed. The Green Manalishi May 2014 #2
+1,000,000 cosmicone May 2014 #3
I lost my tolerance long ago. Cartoonist May 2014 #4
I'm a UU JustAnotherGen May 2014 #8
Blanket tolerance is idiotic. delta17 May 2014 #36
What is wrong? That the Religious leader is demanding a worse punishment for the rapists? happyslug May 2014 #39
Or you believe rape is a lesser crime then fornication? happyslug May 2014 #38
According to what JustAnotherGen May 2014 #41
Mankind is a SOCIAL ANIMAL and as such we develop law to decides disputes within society. happyslug May 2014 #44
Why can't they give up the violence in their old Ilsa May 2014 #5
because they actually follow their holy books, other religions give lip service snooper2 May 2014 #11
Whew! You had me going for a minute! LoL. nt Ilsa May 2014 #21
Some people SamKnause May 2014 #6
It's all Eve's fault Cartoonist May 2014 #10
From my experience, more women then men are faithful followers FrodosPet May 2014 #23
Morons. Iggo May 2014 #7
The young Indonesian lady was a widow at age 25!! Then raped by 8 men who walked into Her house! hue May 2014 #9
If they are so concerned with extramarital sex, why rape her? Isn't that extramarital sex? No, just freshwest May 2014 #34
And the Religious leader who sentence her, wants to make a worse punishment for her rapists., happyslug May 2014 #40
I'm not sure you are making this any better, FYI. stevenleser May 2014 #42
This is the 21st Century. Some of us are proving how little we've grown as a species. Fearless May 2014 #12
That's exactly right. tabasco May 2014 #28
Pull the plug Scalded Nun May 2014 #13
Religious sects always seek to gain control. Feral Child May 2014 #14
religion gives people heaven05 May 2014 #15
Horrific. n/t DirkGently May 2014 #16
Wasn't Aceh province one of those hardest hit by the 26 December tsunami? Swede Atlanta May 2014 #17
My understanding is that the tsunami was what brought on the fundamentalism starroute May 2014 #19
It was of course a figurative expression...... Swede Atlanta May 2014 #30
I assume the married man also. Helen Borg May 2014 #18
I highly doubt it sakabatou May 2014 #20
Talibubbas are probably green with envy. There's not a lick of difference between batshit crazy catbyte May 2014 #22
how many of the 8 men were married? olddad56 May 2014 #24
Hard to know/guesstimate this since Islam allows up to 4 wives. hue May 2014 #25
The GOP wants this here in the US. They'd call it "Biblical law." blkmusclmachine May 2014 #26
Rick Santorum dreams of this for America. Dawson Leery May 2014 #27
Sometimes I hate the world. Beacool May 2014 #29
so some fucked up perverted guys can do what they want and claim it's because JI7 May 2014 #31
Where are the religious leaders and members in condemning this abuse? seveneyes May 2014 #32
ugly Liberal_in_LA May 2014 #33
These fundemental views keep spreading Marrah_G May 2014 #35
Did anybody read the ENTIRE Article, the Islamic Judge want WORSE punishment for the rapists. happyslug May 2014 #37
See my #42 above. nt stevenleser May 2014 #43
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