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44. "If GMOs are so great, label them! Problem with that is that nearly all processed foods would have

Fri May 9, 2014, 11:13 AM

May 2014

to be labeled as "GMO". And there would be incentive for retailers to slap labels saying "non GMO" on everything else, even though nearly all fresh fruits and vegetables ARE non-GMO. Ultimately, little useful information for the consumer would be conveyed and the consumer would pay higher prices to cover the costs of labeling everything.

It is easy to pigeon-hole people based on what they say on this, but it is not particularly helpful in terms of informed discussion. Just because someone disagrees with you on an issue does not mean they are a "shill." They might in fact have more knowledge of the issue than you do. According to the FDA, GMO foods are not "materially different" from non-GMO foods. If you have solid evidence otherwise, maybe you can post it instead of attacking personally those who disagree with you.

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Victory! Vermont Passes Landmark GMO Labeling Law [View all] Judi Lynn May 2014 OP

Thank you Vermont! Tumbulu May 2014 #1

Oregon and CA Next!!! billhicks76 May 2014 #26

If CA does it, products are likely to be labeled everywhere because of the size of the pop. 7962 May 2014 #29

Thanks Vermont for geting the ball rolling now 48 to go! trublu992 May 2014 #2

The hysteria just keeps spreading... Archae May 2014 #3

Are u serious?......... alittlelark May 2014 #4

Yes. *REAL* science, not bullshit. Archae May 2014 #5

You are replying to a Horticulturalist.... alittlelark May 2014 #6

So why are the peer-reviewed studies all saying GMO's are safe? Archae May 2014 #7

Do you work for Monsanto or perhaps received incentives from Monsanto to post here? 951-Riverside May 2014 #8

No. Archae May 2014 #9

Thank You. I apologize, I was just curious. n/t 951-Riverside May 2014 #10

"I'm not making any accusations..." But you are when you ask a question like that. yellowcanine May 2014 #45

$$$$ buys 'credibility' ...learned that well........ alittlelark May 2014 #11

Thank you for this info. BrotherIvan May 2014 #15

I will call them out whenever I see them... alittlelark May 2014 #16

Sad part is, I don't think the defenders here are getting paid BrotherIvan May 2014 #18

"If GMOs are so great, label them! Problem with that is that nearly all processed foods would have yellowcanine May 2014 #44

Your argument for costs rising are the same misinformation used to defeat labeling bills BrotherIvan May 2014 #48

The FDA policy on GMOs was in place long before Obama's food czar. Lots of misinformation here. yellowcanine May 2014 #51

responded to wrong post..... alittlelark May 2014 #86

Let consumers decide what information is useful. OrwellwasRight May 2014 #132

Your "studies" are garbage psiman May 2014 #22

If its safe, then there should be no opposition to labeling the foods. MAke it my choice. 7962 May 2014 #30

Here's why. HuckleB May 2014 #38

I get what he's trying to say, although those religious aspects would be "need" to those people 7962 May 2014 #47

You are getting to the heart of it, I think. HuckleB May 2014 #50

Thanks! 7962 May 2014 #53

Enjoy your time here...a great source of information... alittlelark May 2014 #62

The shill gambit is not a legitimate response. HuckleB May 2014 #63

If it walks like a duck, and it it quacks like a duck.... alittlelark May 2014 #65

Occams Razor is not applicable. HuckleB May 2014 #68

Your 'woo' is Big Ag propaganda and '$$$$studies'... alittlelark May 2014 #84

I'm sorry that the science disagrees with your preconceived notions. HuckleB May 2014 #88

You are not making any sense.... alittlelark May 2014 #94

Your response makes no sense. HuckleB May 2014 #99

Do you even understand science? OrwellwasRight May 2014 #133

A Gish Gallop doesn't really show much. HuckleB May 2014 #41

All peer-reviewed studies are saying GMOs are safe? Really? Art_from_Ark May 2014 #14

Just another stupid, widely debunked, poorly constructed and dishonestly reported study psiman May 2014 #23

So a critique by eXtina in DailyKos is a peer review??? Art_from_Ark May 2014 #25

"Pigs fed a combination of genetically modified soy and corn.. nenagh May 2014 #27

How can you be taken seriously... sendero May 2014 #28

If you're a science nerd, I tell you what. HuckleB May 2014 #35

It doesn't make any fucking difference. sendero May 2014 #43

It does make a difference. HuckleB May 2014 #46

The only thing important to todays 'big-ag' is that *meat* passes processing & sells. Sunlei May 2014 #36

Do you realize how many studies show them to be safe? HuckleB May 2014 #39

Glad to hear Obama has a son! alittlelark May 2014 #21

You never IMed me concerning my status as a horticulturalist... alittlelark May 2014 #66

Which industry? Supplements? Organics? Self-promotion? mathematic May 2014 #12

Hope you get the $$$ due to you for this post. alittlelark May 2014 #13

So you love the shill gambit. HuckleB May 2014 #110

So you haven't seen the hundreds of independent studies that GMOs to be safe? HuckleB May 2014 #40

Bookmarking that! alittlelark May 2014 #64

....uh, yeah.... alittlelark May 2014 #67

Organic farmers have to forgo most synthetic inputs cprise May 2014 #17

Very good point BrotherIvan May 2014 #19

Nice to see another IPM here. alittlelark May 2014 #20

All of which is true, except that it has nothing to do with GMOs psiman May 2014 #24

you're right. The USA does need food regulations that benefit the humans instead of the Corp$$ Sunlei May 2014 #33

All of which is true except for the strawman about "banning GMOs" Nihil May 2014 #37

Labeling is not the same as banning. OrwellwasRight May 2014 #134

You're really pushing the debunked claim about farmers getting sued for cross pollination? HuckleB May 2014 #42

You mean about Monsanto pursuing them in court? Overseas May 2014 #70

If I use something that a company is selling without paying for it, that's called stealing. HuckleB May 2014 #72

Pay me for the sunshine. Now. JackRiddler May 2014 #81

You used a lot of words to say nothing at all. HuckleB May 2014 #89

No one ever says "nothing," actually... JackRiddler May 2014 #116

You keep making massive claims, but you support them with zero evidence. HuckleB May 2014 #119

Pay me for the sunshine. Now. JackRiddler May 2014 #123

And more goofiness. Boring. HuckleB May 2014 #125

You do not seem to understand the issue.... alittlelark May 2014 #85

I understand that you're pushing a fictional issue. HuckleB May 2014 #90

Then you should support labeling more than anyone for their safety & economical value. mother earth May 2014 #31

If GMOs are safe what is the problem with labeling? nt TBF May 2014 #59

This is a good piece on the issue. HuckleB May 2014 #61

I'm not a horticulturalist but I think plant hybridization is different from genetic engineering Overseas May 2014 #71

Sometimes, but that's actually not the norm. HuckleB May 2014 #73

You just blatantly lied... GMO's are diff SPECIES alittlelark May 2014 #87

No, I actually understand genetics. HuckleB May 2014 #91

I called you a liar because you lied.... alittlelark May 2014 #96

Prove it, with an actual consensus of the science. HuckleB May 2014 #97

How about a DEFINITION... alittlelark May 2014 #105

Creating your own definition by pulling it out of your butt... HuckleB May 2014 #109

Is it your position that interspecies hybridization does not occur in nature? LTX May 2014 #138

"Science" also says that corn syrup and saccharine are safe. OrwellwasRight May 2014 #131

Yup. HuckleB May 2014 #34

Take an IPM class... I guarantee your eyes will open. alittlelark May 2014 #74

Follow the science. I guarantee your eyes will open. HuckleB May 2014 #75

Not much woo in the greenhouse or in the field... alittlelark May 2014 #83

Monoculture issues are not just about GMOs. HuckleB May 2014 #92

Find me a field of GMO that is not monoculture........ alittlelark May 2014 #95

Find me a red herring, oh, you just posted one. HuckleB May 2014 #98

Are u getting paid for this? alittlelark May 2014 #100

And yet another shill gambit! HuckleB May 2014 #101

I do not believe you understand science... alittlelark May 2014 #103

Show me how I'm embarrassing myself. HuckleB May 2014 #104

Look in a mirror. alittlelark May 2014 #106

So you have nothing, as usual. HuckleB May 2014 #108

My guess is that many DUers have seen u for what u are alittlelark May 2014 #111

If some DUers choose to go with your hyperbole over the science... HuckleB May 2014 #113

You have yet to IM me for my Horticulture Background alittlelark May 2014 #102

You keep pushing this nonsensical meme. HuckleB May 2014 #107

You have proven yourself a joke..... alittlelark May 2014 #112

And the personal attacks continue. HuckleB May 2014 #114

Almost as bad as accurate labeling... LanternWaste May 2014 #49

Except that it would not be accurate in many cases. Nearly all processed foods could contain GMO. yellowcanine May 2014 #52

So what? bvar22 May 2014 #54

My point is you still would not in many cases. This is feel good legislation. yellowcanine May 2014 #56

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB May 2014 #57

People should be able to have information on what they eat Marrah_G May 2014 #77

Knowing the type of technology that created the hybrid gives you no actual information. HuckleB May 2014 #78

People should be able to know what their food is Marrah_G May 2014 #79

Again, the technology that created the hybrid is not the food. HuckleB May 2014 #80

Why is keeping people in the dark about what they eat so important? Marrah_G May 2014 #82

You keep repeating yourself. HuckleB May 2014 #93

I feel like we are talking in circles Marrah_G May 2014 #117

Your claim doesn't stand up to scrutiny. HuckleB May 2014 #118

How much $$$ per post? alittlelark May 2014 #120

You keep claiming to have some magical knowledge that you never support. HuckleB May 2014 #121

95% of other posters are agreeing w/ me..... alittlelark May 2014 #122

Name that logical fallacy! HuckleB May 2014 #126

GO AWAY. alittlelark May 2014 #127

I'm pro science. HuckleB May 2014 #128

........... alittlelark May 2014 #129

I like how continue to confess that you have nothing to support any of your stances. HuckleB May 2014 #130

Well, someone's hysteria certainly does villager May 2014 #115

very cool Vermont places their state citizens first /w foods. Even with 'Obamacare'ACA their.... Sunlei May 2014 #32

The fundamentalists are here again. JackRiddler May 2014 #55

K&R! DeSwiss May 2014 #58

This is a good thing - TBF May 2014 #60

K&R. Glad to hear it. Overseas May 2014 #69

Fantastic news. Consumers deserve to know what they are buying. riqster May 2014 #76

How many people have been killed by GMO foods? Nye Bevan May 2014 #124

How many people were killed by putting Shell Oil from aparthied-era South Africa in their cars? OrwellwasRight May 2014 #135

^^^^THIS^^^^^^ alittlelark May 2014 #136

Court Battle Looms Over Vermont’s GMO Food Labeling Law Judi Lynn May 2014 #137