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39. 'Last time Ukraine played up and... supply ceased... German industrial production fell by 25%...'

Fri May 9, 2014, 04:37 PM

May 2014

Isn't this why Germany went solar? And aren't they doing very well?

Alternatives could help put Ukraine and the EU countries not depend on Russian gas. I think this is where the investment should go, not in the blackhole of fossil fuels.

Here, alternatives have worked and we need less fossil fuels. Sounds like a win-win. Combining that with conservation, which IIRC, Ukraine did not use to reduce their fuel costs.

Not that natural gas isn't a fine thing for heat, but it's not the only thing as the technology becomes avaiable to reduce its use.

Any news on that? And thanks for your threads and your patience.

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Poll: Most Ukrainians want a unified country [View all] dipsydoodle May 2014 OP

I think it's between econmic ties to EU/US/NATO or Russia/Eurasia. joshcryer May 2014 #1

The general background re. economic ties was as follows. dipsydoodle May 2014 #5

Putin wanted the EU talks stopped. joshcryer May 2014 #6

Russia only supplies gas at preferential terms to CIS member states. dipsydoodle May 2014 #7

Pretty sure Yanukovych just wanted to get re-elected. joshcryer May 2014 #14

Wasn't so much "the EU deal wasn't the best" dipsydoodle May 2014 #16

IMF is giving 17 billion. joshcryer May 2014 #29

Confirmation here from Nov. 27th 2013. dipsydoodle May 2014 #30

So they sign a trade agreement with a bankrupt country? joshcryer May 2014 #31

There is a paradox dipsydoodle May 2014 #32

Fair enough. joshcryer May 2014 #33

Comparisons with Greece are difficult. dipsydoodle May 2014 #37

BBC: Pro-Russia rebel vote to go ahead pampango May 2014 #2

800,000 #referendum ballot papers destroyed by fire joshcryer May 2014 #3

Well once accidents like that start happening you have to question whether it's going to be rigged davidpdx May 2014 #4

No Question, Sir: A Vote Under Present Conditions In the East is A Rigged Vote The Magistrate May 2014 #8

That's what the referendum will show. Igel May 2014 #27

This Obviously Makes Hash Of The 'Go Putin!' Cheer-Leaders' Position, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #9

Poll: Most Ukrainians support full or partial refusal of gas purchases from Russia dipsydoodle May 2014 #10

People Often Answer a Different Question Than the One They Are Asked, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #11

Yes but come the winter they might conclude dipsydoodle May 2014 #12

Possibly, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #13

Putin certainly likes leveraging that one. joshcryer May 2014 #15

Ah I see... Adrahil May 2014 #19

Not particularly. dipsydoodle May 2014 #20

OK, but.... Adrahil May 2014 #21

Its not so much I don't have a harsh word for Russia - dipsydoodle May 2014 #22

Welp, it is. But for the people living there, this is DEADLY serious. NT Adrahil May 2014 #23

I sympaphise with their population dipsydoodle May 2014 #24

Ukraine a nuisance for being leveraged by Russia. joshcryer May 2014 #28

On the subject of gas dipsydoodle May 2014 #17

I suspect they're going to see if Russia charges market rate. joshcryer May 2014 #34

Worth noting though dipsydoodle May 2014 #35

No doubt Russia is going to get paid. joshcryer May 2014 #38

'Last time Ukraine played up and... supply ceased... German industrial production fell by 25%...' freshwest May 2014 #39

From January this year : dipsydoodle May 2014 #40

Don't hang your hat on that Telegraph piece -it's terribly biased Iterate May 2014 #41

If the people of Northern Maine wanted to break away and become part of Quebec, Nye Bevan May 2014 #18

You changed the title of the story Jemon May 2014 #25

When He Posted It early This Morning, Sir, It was The Right Headline The Magistrate May 2014 #26

Something's going down in Mariupol Bosonic May 2014 #36

They have worked for decades towards their full EU membership. Putin didn't want that!! Sunlei May 2014 #42