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JDPriestly

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35. It isn't. It is the idea of natural rights that pre-date written laws. It isn't a crazy idea at al
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:33 PM
May 2014

It is what underlies our Constitution.

Remember this:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

Nothing in there about religion trumping law, but the basis for law is the consent of the people and a recognition of the natural law that we are equal and have the right to join together to govern our society together. Unwritten is the rule of democracy, but if we are all equal and entitled to freedom yet want to live in a society that is orderly, democracy is how we will be governed.

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So he's pro-Sharia Law? sharp_stick May 2014 #1
Pretty much. Xyzse May 2014 #5
I don't think so yeoman6987 May 2014 #60
Sad. Xyzse May 2014 #64
Even if loss is certain, Democrats need to campaign against kiranon May 2014 #67
Precisely. Would that view justify slavery if the master believed in slavery? JDPriestly May 2014 #27
Being throughly indoctrinated in illogical world views is a Republican requirement. Enthusiast May 2014 #52
The Christian Dominionists call it "Biblical law," but it's exactly the same thing as Sharia law. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #42
I think some wear them now, dominated by male authority, but they are invisible. n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #55
How amazing is it that they are crowning him already yeoman6987 May 2014 #58
The DNC should run ads featuring him as the face of the GOP in all fifty states. onehandle May 2014 #2
k&r!! big_dog May 2014 #8
Yeah, that's for damn sure mindwalker_i May 2014 #11
so if christianity violates my religious beliefs I can legally discriminate against them nt msongs May 2014 #3
Of course not, silly. Only "true" far rightwing "Christians" have the legal right to discriminate!!! blkmusclmachine May 2014 #43
Certainly! Now, I can put my signs up, "We DO NOT serve RW Christians, Bigots, RKP5637 May 2014 #57
No way to prove in court that God isn't talking directly to me. Voice for Peace May 2014 #4
On the other hand, no way to convince a jury that God is talking to you onenote May 2014 #10
But if Master Sassy has his way, it will be unresolved. Voice for Peace May 2014 #14
So... savalez May 2014 #6
To phrase it simply many Christians believe that A Simple Game May 2014 #15
Does anyone in the Nebraska corporate media Kelvin Mace May 2014 #7
Then what is the point of having laws in the first place???? AZ Mike May 2014 #9
No secular laws allowed, not even the Constitution. This is where it really gets twisted and dumb. freshwest May 2014 #41
No laws. Wild West. With Talibangelical crazies armed to the teeth. It's "Stand Your Ground" againt blkmusclmachine May 2014 #44
The dems seem to constantly test the winds for the crazies and then adjust to suit the crazies. RKP5637 May 2014 #59
Talibornagain (R) AceAcme May 2014 #12
Well. Since they think atheism is a Religion ... I'm gonna have fun! n/t broadcaster75201 May 2014 #13
And those that practice Islam, can break laws too! SoapBox May 2014 #16
How about worshipers of SATAN! (Said in your best Dana Carvey voice) Dustlawyer May 2014 #29
Christian Taliban. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #17
+1. They earn the label "The American Taliban" with every breath they take. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #45
Which, in turn, justifies the same fines and jail time as if it didn't. eppur_se_muova May 2014 #18
hmmmm rtracey May 2014 #19
I prefer Kierkegaard - Fear and Trembling Dems2002 May 2014 #20
Oh FFS ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #56
Jerks. Nobody forces anyone to do anything except thugs like him lostincalifornia May 2014 #21
Barry Goldwater on the religious right Evar May 2014 #22
So he supports people not standing for the Pledge of Allegiaand not being attacked for their actions Mike Daniels May 2014 #23
* If those religious beliefs are precisely what he believes. EEO May 2014 #24
I so hate the ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #25
Heck, that "XXX pre-dates government" argument has got to be the weakest AleksS May 2014 #26
It isn't. It is the idea of natural rights that pre-date written laws. It isn't a crazy idea at al JDPriestly May 2014 #35
Joe Ricketts Now Controls Nebraska DallasNE May 2014 #28
So that mean that no store should be open on Sunday Pakid May 2014 #30
I detest Hobby Lobby, but fifthoffive May 2014 #62
If it's my religious belief that getting high puts me in touch with God rickyhall May 2014 #31
Not according to the supreme court. Enthusiast May 2014 #53
And if my religion is Bacchanalia sdfernando May 2014 #32
meaning, of course, that YOU don't have to do any changing MisterP May 2014 #33
how can a right under the government pre-date the government that affirms that right? UpInArms May 2014 #34
Crazy talk! blkmusclmachine May 2014 #46
BIOOIYAC tanyev May 2014 #36
IOKIYACRWCN blkmusclmachine May 2014 #47
it's all just noise until he argues that in front of a judge.... mike_c May 2014 #37
Ben Sasse, the "Sharia Law" candidate..... Historic NY May 2014 #38
Terrific. Two Ted Cruzes in the Senate. BlueStater May 2014 #39
That's what DC's "THE FAMILY" does. Gets these people in positions of power to change laws. In Jeff blkmusclmachine May 2014 #48
"...as long as that religious belief is the same one I have" LoisB May 2014 #40
I have made this offer before... Moostache May 2014 #49
Human Sacrifice anyone? Go Aztec! Bohemianwriter May 2014 #50
How, exactly, is Uncle Sam in the abortion business? Enthusiast May 2014 #51
What he is preaching is subversion of the US government. A dangerous person to democracy and RKP5637 May 2014 #54
Let the human sacrifice begin. Heywood J May 2014 #61
Why, ALL, of course! hatrack May 2014 #63
Render Unto Caesar Marthe48 May 2014 #65
If it is true for Eddie Snowden, it's true for this guy. treestar May 2014 #66
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