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Damansarajaya

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19. On the other hand . . .
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:36 PM
May 2014
http://www.beecharmers.org/

France & Italy ban neonicotinoids. In the past six years, a new group of nicotine-based pesticides have emerged called neonicotinoids. The most common is imidachloprid. Ironically, these were originally manufactured to be less lethal. But about four years ago, French and Italian beekeepers complained that imidachloprid crop spraying was killing their honey bees. So the French and Italian governments banned the nicotine-based pesticides.

Germany bans chemicals linked to honeybee devastation Germany has banned a family of pesticides that are blamed for the deaths of millions of honeybees... The move follows reports from German beekeepers in the Baden-Wuerttemberg region that two thirds of their bees died earlier this month following the application of a pesticide called clothianidin."It's a real bee emergency," said Manfred Hederer, president of the German Professional Beekeepers' Association. "50-60% of the bees have died on average and some beekeepers have lost all their hives." Tests on dead bees showed that 99% of those examined had a build-up of clothianidin. Source/Full Story: The Guardian, May 23 2008

Jerry Hayes, Chief, Apiary Section, Florida Dept. of Agriculture, Gainsville, Florida: "The interesting thing about the Colony Collapse Disorder is that bees are leaving the colony and not coming back, which is highly unusual for a social insect to leave a queen and its brood or young behind. They are seemingly going out and can't find their way back home.
Imidachloprid, when it is used to control termites, does exactly the same thing. One of the methods it uses to kill termites is that the termites feed on this material and then go out to feed and can't remember how to get home. And it also causes their immune systems to collapse, causing what would be normal organisms to become pathogenic in them (bees).

What 60 Minutes didn't air The cause is imidacloprid, plain and simple," said David Hackenberg, the beekeeper who was the subject of a 60 Minutes story that aired Oct. 28.Hackenberg, who has tended bees his entire adult life, said he told 60 Minutes about this imidacloprid theory in these same direct terms. After editing Hackenberg's comments, however, the venerable CBS program quoted some scientists who said they weren't sure, thereby leaving doubt in everyone's mind. Here's the background you need to understand: The primary product used to control grubs on your lawn, or insects on your fruit trees, or termites in your basement, contains a chemical compound known as imidacloprid, a synthetic nicotine, which is most commonly marketed as Merit. No one debates that imidacloprid is toxic to bees, yet Bayer, the exclusive patent holder from 1988 until this year, denies its product causes CCD. . . .

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Europe blames nicotinic pesticides. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #1
Europe is a mighty big place, with many entities that disagree with one another. HuckleB May 2014 #2
They should take away the bees' cellphones, too. Orrex May 2014 #3
Well, they should at least get all the wifi out of the bee schools! HuckleB May 2014 #4
Finally a voice of reason! Orrex May 2014 #5
I do my best! HuckleB May 2014 #6
Thanks for links. I read first one, quite informative. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #7
+1 to that...thanks Supersedeas May 2014 #33
The simple fact is that CCD didn't appear until the neoniconoides Damansarajaya May 2014 #9
We get it. You have a preconceived notion. HuckleB May 2014 #12
Whoa. The preconception is all yours. Damansarajaya May 2014 #13
Actually, your posts make it clear that you're the one with the preconceptions, HuckleB May 2014 #14
I didn't pretend anything. Damansarajaya May 2014 #15
Thanks for the confession. HuckleB May 2014 #16
For acting like Mr. Logic, you should really review Damansarajaya May 2014 #18
Pretending that's all I've got, when you've offered nothing but denialism is just silliness. HuckleB May 2014 #21
HuckleB is often quite right ... Trajan May 2014 #27
Well, his high opinion of his reasoning powers Damansarajaya May 2014 #31
I have a high opinion of the evidence base. HuckleB May 2014 #34
I do too. There's a lot of good evidence that GMO Damansarajaya May 2014 #60
and often not quite right ... Kat 333 May 2014 #32
Prove it. HuckleB May 2014 #35
I don't know from the harvard study Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #26
They may be part of the problem. HuckleB May 2014 #30
Two of those links critique the same poorly designed study while the third hedgehog May 2014 #39
Can you prove that it's a poorly designed study? HuckleB May 2014 #41
And bee mites are treated by smoking the hive with insecticide. Damansarajaya May 2014 #8
Maybe you should read the full article before responding. HuckleB May 2014 #11
I don't think it's "smoking" per se, but rather chemical strips left in the hives hatrack May 2014 #56
Honey is an antibiotic for bees but antibiotics are losing effectiveness. Kablooie May 2014 #10
This is incidental info, but urban colonies seem to do better then commercial hives. denbot May 2014 #17
+1 nt Damansarajaya May 2014 #20
On the other hand . . . Damansarajaya May 2014 #19
Politics, not science. HuckleB May 2014 #22
Do you work in PR for Monsanto or something? Damansarajaya May 2014 #24
No, it doesn't. HuckleB May 2014 #28
Many studies have come out on the danger of pesticides on Bees lovuian May 2014 #23
Right, apparently those are just "political," Damansarajaya May 2014 #25
Yes. Unfortunately, not the best studies in the world. HuckleB May 2014 #29
Don’t overlook other causes in investigating bee deaths HuckleB May 2014 #36
Colony Collapse Disorder: More Dead Bees, More Sloppy Science HuckleB May 2014 #37
Again, the links in post 36 and 37 reference and critique the same poorly done study linked to hedgehog May 2014 #40
It's a well done study. HuckleB May 2014 #42
Did you even read the article at your link? The article is devoted to hedgehog May 2014 #45
Yes, that's the point. HuckleB May 2014 #47
If as reported, many or all European counties have banned the use of hedgehog May 2014 #38
The "bans" are quite convoluted. HuckleB May 2014 #43
I think you are ignoring the possibility that this is a two part problem - hedgehog May 2014 #44
If you had looked at my other posts, you would know that I do not see it that way. HuckleB May 2014 #46
Here is another study linking the use of the nicotine pesticides hedgehog May 2014 #48
Again, you seem to be convinced of the cause. HuckleB May 2014 #49
When the big picture points to combinations of nicotine pesticides and just about any other single hedgehog May 2014 #51
It doesn't necessarily point to that. HuckleB May 2014 #53
If anyone is interested - here is a link to the Harvard Study itself: hedgehog May 2014 #50
Again, you seem to just like saying "it's invalid." HuckleB May 2014 #52
We are at cross purposes here - hedgehog May 2014 #54
Thank you for responding calmly & clearly to him. Nihil May 2014 #55
thank you! hedgehog May 2014 #57
What other studies? HuckleB May 2014 #59
Farmers/growers can control pesticide/herbicide use Marthe48 May 2014 #58
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